Aston Villa v Newcastle
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The keeper red card is very clearly DOGSO IMO, and despite the contact being in the knee it’s not excessively forceful or nasty with studs, so I don’t see it as SFP.
Not sure what Digne did to get so lucky but he’s should have been sent off as discussed and the handball decision is sadly an absolute howler. We all have them, but I don’t think Kav and team will look back very fondly on that one. I do agree that it’s probably his AR though as it took a very long time for Kav to give/ signal, so he had probably asked for help.
Not sure what Digne did to get so lucky but he’s should have been sent off as discussed and the handball decision is sadly an absolute howler. We all have them, but I don’t think Kav and team will look back very fondly on that one. I do agree that it’s probably his AR though as it took a very long time for Kav to give/ signal, so he had probably asked for help.
If the keeper was in his penalty area I would agree with you that the path of the ball would be a question mark, but with no keeper he has an empty goal to shoot at no matter how wide he might be.
Linesman has had a shocker really in this game, usually our linos are really good at spotting offsides especially when I compare it when I watch the European games but whilst there may of been another villa player in the way, it is from a dead ball position, at this level you probably should still spot that.
The Digne yellow I have sympathy with, I think it's an orange card challenge and as Dale Johnson says, whatever the on field decision is the VAR would stick with potentially. I can only assume because it was so quick the linesman thought it was just contact on top of the foot and did not see the contact on the shin, the ref view was blocked and perhaps a bit too far away to know for sure himself, don't think it's a poor decision but from what I seen, most people think it's a red card than a yellow card.
The DOGSO is interesting, the ball does get kicked far away and there is a Villa defender that may of got to that ball but with no goalkeeper in the goal then as others say in that situation it's probably a clearer DOGSO.
The handball which should of been a pen but wasn't is going to be up there with one of the worse referee decisions unfortunately and possibly be remembered for years to come, even if the ref was slightly unsighted you still expect an SG1 FIFA official too see other clues its in the box with where Trippier was when he crossed it and Digne was in the box the whole time, the linesman let him down big time if he was indeed the one who made the final decision if the ref asked him for advice but the ref should of spotted it himself aswell.
What I do find totally unsurprising mind is the reaction to it, all this oh we prefer things before VAR and how we will accept when the officials make mistakes from now on as it's part of the game then you get a game like this and you got Shearer moaning about the offside goal and the referee getting major criticism for the non penalty. The game needs VAR especially for the factual decisions.
The Digne yellow I have sympathy with, I think it's an orange card challenge and as Dale Johnson says, whatever the on field decision is the VAR would stick with potentially. I can only assume because it was so quick the linesman thought it was just contact on top of the foot and did not see the contact on the shin, the ref view was blocked and perhaps a bit too far away to know for sure himself, don't think it's a poor decision but from what I seen, most people think it's a red card than a yellow card.
The DOGSO is interesting, the ball does get kicked far away and there is a Villa defender that may of got to that ball but with no goalkeeper in the goal then as others say in that situation it's probably a clearer DOGSO.
The handball which should of been a pen but wasn't is going to be up there with one of the worse referee decisions unfortunately and possibly be remembered for years to come, even if the ref was slightly unsighted you still expect an SG1 FIFA official too see other clues its in the box with where Trippier was when he crossed it and Digne was in the box the whole time, the linesman let him down big time if he was indeed the one who made the final decision if the ref asked him for advice but the ref should of spotted it himself aswell.
What I do find totally unsurprising mind is the reaction to it, all this oh we prefer things before VAR and how we will accept when the officials make mistakes from now on as it's part of the game then you get a game like this and you got Shearer moaning about the offside goal and the referee getting major criticism for the non penalty. The game needs VAR especially for the factual decisions.
This is what, for me, makes it even worse - at no point from giving the handball to walking over to the offence is Digne EVER outside the box!
I've always said, 'top level referees are no better that referees many leagues below them'
I'd further argue that they're worse than their colleagues many leagues below them, probably on account of being pulled around in all directions with guidance, and more recently, VAR
The overall performance by the team was very poor, but the non-penalty was indefensible and completely unacceptable. Given the static position of the player, I can't ever recall a worse decision. At least we didn't need a 10 minute review for them to analyse position and to check for ten other mythical offences in the build-up
As for cautions for surrounding the referee, that's another ship and whim that's well and truly sailed. Both sides should would've been down to <7 players.
Comedy Gold, if I wasn't a referee myself
I'd further argue that they're worse than their colleagues many leagues below them, probably on account of being pulled around in all directions with guidance, and more recently, VAR
The overall performance by the team was very poor, but the non-penalty was indefensible and completely unacceptable. Given the static position of the player, I can't ever recall a worse decision. At least we didn't need a 10 minute review for them to analyse position and to check for ten other mythical offences in the build-up
As for cautions for surrounding the referee, that's another ship and whim that's well and truly sailed. Both sides should would've been down to <7 players.
Comedy Gold, if I wasn't a referee myself
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Overall movement is towards goal, ball ends up entering penalty area, although the fouled attacker would have regained possession prior to that anyway had he not been fouled - and would have had an open goal to shoot at from a very reasonable angle and distance, before the defender tracking back would have had the slightest chance at getting involved.
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The consideration isn’t direction of the ball. It is “general direction of the play.” I don’t see how you could dispute that the general direction of play is toward the goal. That consideration was tweaked a few years ago to add “general” because IFAB wanted it to be more applicable. This seems to me an easy and ovsious DOGSO—and exactly the kind of offense that DOGSO was designed to eliminate.
That's a surprise, a thread that has nothing to do with Man City brings up a Man City incident. Who would have thought it?
There have been 15 FA Cup games this weekend, 2 missed offsides in 15 games isn't anything out of the ordinary, just as we usually see one VAR involvement in offside in an EPL weekend. I haven't seen the Marmoush one, was it very clearly incorrectly offside like the Villa one was?
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If im not mistaken the offside photo still doing the rounds show the full back playing him on. But in real time I imagine the full back moving up in attempt to play offside and as its a quick decision, the assistant probably got the split second "when ball was played" part wrong.
We've all done it on Sundays.
in an excellent (elevated) position in the stadium i thought it was off live.
hard decision? medium i'd say - would expect a top AR to get it right
I am finding the media reaction to this rather bizarre as in some sections, if you had no idea, you think there was VAR controversy with the usual question of is VAR good for the game and should we keep it, this game in my view enforces why we need it. I get the subjective stuff can be controversial but most of the time it does correct the wrong decision.
Football in these modern times can't have nothing to be able to correct the howlers like the free kick being given when it was clearly a penalty.
I also see Halsey is mouthing off again at Howard Webb and claiming he should resign, I mean it's hardly Webb's fault such a big howler has been made and there is no VAR to correct it, that's down to the FA I would assume as it's their competition. I would also say looking on the outside, I think Webb is doing a decent job, our officials are in general very good, the way we use VAR in general is solid with a clear guidelines on when to intervene and at the end of the day there is still going to be some debate on certain decisions. The more important aspect though he is bringing new refs into the PL and it's stopped being almost a closed shop.
Football in these modern times can't have nothing to be able to correct the howlers like the free kick being given when it was clearly a penalty.
I also see Halsey is mouthing off again at Howard Webb and claiming he should resign, I mean it's hardly Webb's fault such a big howler has been made and there is no VAR to correct it, that's down to the FA I would assume as it's their competition. I would also say looking on the outside, I think Webb is doing a decent job, our officials are in general very good, the way we use VAR in general is solid with a clear guidelines on when to intervene and at the end of the day there is still going to be some debate on certain decisions. The more important aspect though he is bringing new refs into the PL and it's stopped being almost a closed shop.
Russell Jones
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The fundamental question (for me) is whether the undoubted benefit of clearing up the occasional clear and obvious howler is, in fact, more than offset by the much increased controversy over the far more frequent subjective calls. Even if you leave to one side the impact on fan celebrations and time delays that impact the flow of the game.
There's a key unavoidable issue in that the 'high bar' for intervention (necessary to avoid re-refereeing and even greater impact on match flow) inevitably results in VAR "confirming" many sub-optimal subjective decisions. The footballing world has little understanding / sympathy for this ... hence the multiple times when we hear stuff like "you've had the chance to watch it loads of times from different angles and you've STILL got it wrong". I see this as the fundamental unresolvable issue with VAR.
Straw pole on SkySports this morning
Thousands of votes
Only 9% voted to keep VAR
Waste of time having the poll anyway. A very small fraction of society (say, 0.1% with 99.9% of the money) dictate (say 99.9% with 0.1% of the money) everything. Not sure Governments are even making decisions any more
So unless it's hurting the bottom line, the Clubs will keep VAR and we're wasting our time (particularly me) discussing the subject
Hyperbole to one side for a change. It just bothers me that refereeing is constantly the center of attention. It's detracted enormously from the game
Thousands of votes
Only 9% voted to keep VAR
Waste of time having the poll anyway. A very small fraction of society (say, 0.1% with 99.9% of the money) dictate (say 99.9% with 0.1% of the money) everything. Not sure Governments are even making decisions any more
So unless it's hurting the bottom line, the Clubs will keep VAR and we're wasting our time (particularly me) discussing the subject
Hyperbole to one side for a change. It just bothers me that refereeing is constantly the center of attention. It's detracted enormously from the game