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Most of the first considerations already exist, big brother is already watching!!! The rest of it, yes, it would need work but its easier than you think!!
No, most of the first considerations do not already exist.

And yes, as someone who gets paid to write software, it is as hard as I think.
 
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Bless, back on your PlayStation ZaZa,

I’m limited in what I can say, but you’re ill informed!

You're limited in what you can say because you're making it up.

If you had really seen top secret tech that you can't talk about then you would have signed the official secrets act and had to go through the whole dv clearance and wouldn't be able to even hint about it.
 
Actually I'm being unfair, I don't think you've made it up, but more likely you've been shown or told about something and over estimate the capabilities.

A camera on its own can do anything other than take/record photos and/or videos. It's the software that does the decision making.

Yes, you have things like facial recognition, that's hardly new or exciting they use it in some phones and supermarkets use it to watch for known shoplifters.

But, it doesn't work like you see in the movies where it picks someone out of a crowded train platform in 5 seconds.

The software required to accurately call all forms of offside offences would be so complicated it wod take years and millions or pounds to develop.

Then you'd need the hardware to run the software and process all of the footage in almost real time, again millions in research and development and then possibly millions again to pay for it to be used.

Tracking GPS units isn't hard, but again you need the software to deal with it and work which players are where etc.

Tracking the ball would be another problem GLT only has to know if the ball crosses the goal line between the goal posts and under the bar, for offside it wod need to know where the ball is everysingle moment of a game, and which player has possession etc.
 
You jog on ZaZa, there are lots of things that exist that aren’t commercially available to mere mortals. The tech I’ve seen demonstrated, in the wrong hands wouldn’t be a good thing for them to own against us!

Yes, it’s expensive, but as I said, tweaked commercially could do all required and more.
 
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You jog on ZaZa, there are lots of things that exist that aren’t commercially available to mere mortals. The tech I’ve seen demonstrated, in the wrong hands wouldn’t be a good thing for them to own against us!

Yes, it’s expensive, but as I said, tweaked commercially could do all required and more.

The fact that you think any existing software would just need "tweaks" to enable it to accurately and consistently call offside decisions shows just how ignorant you are of the work that is required to write even the most simple piece of software.

This is why I think you are simply over estimating the capabilities of whatever tech you've seen, because you just don't understand what would actually need to be done to pivot it away from its current role to calling offsides.

Also, if this tech is as super duper top secret as you claim you probably shouldn't be talking about it online, not even making vague references to it. Anyone with the required security clearance to see such technology would know this.
 
They already do ball tracking in cricket and tennis and we faithfully accept the outcomes, why does it have to be a ball, why couldn't it be absolutely anything, multiple things??? They know where stuff is and where it was going, thats current technology. Whats coming??
 
Aircraft have been landing in fog for decades yet we can"t track the positions of objects on a sports field. Besides, it doesn't need to function with precision needed to call Linguard offside, it just needs to be accurate to a given precision to be usable. The next few years will determine if it's financially feasible. Until then, i'm done with this thread
 
You are both massively oversimplifying things.

In tennis they don't monitor the position of the ball, they monitor the lines and identify when the ball crosses them, same as goal line technology.

Aircraft have GPS fitted and large airports have beacons that planes can lock onto.

I'm not sure how cricket do it, but I know they have thermal imaging which can show where a ball has hit the stumps, the stumps also have cameras in.
 
Multiple cameras (available today) can track numerous things simultaneously. A simple version opens an iPhone!
 
Multiple cameras (available today) can track numerous things simultaneously. A simple version opens an iPhone!

So you can't answer the question, I know you love to portray yourself as some sort of expert in every topic you discuss, but this is one instance, along with the promotion scheme, where you are simply talking out of your hoop.

Cameras can track lots of things, but without the software they can't do anything with the images they record.

If you want to remove humans from the VAR decision making process when it comes to offside specialist bespoke software would need to be written.

That software would need to be able to differentiate between all of the players and match officials, be able to identify when a player leaves the field of play and automatically assume they are on the goal line until they re-enter the field of play.

It would need to differentiate between everysingle team in the competition, including all their kits and variations there of.

It would need to differentiate between someone's arm being offside (doesn't count if it's a part of the body that can't legally play the ball) and a foot

It would need to be able to tell whether a defending player has intentionally played the ball towards a player in an offside position.

It would need to be able to tell whether a player in an offside position has interfered with play without touching the ball i.e. blocking the goal keepers view.

It would need to be able to tell if a player in an offside position has come back inside to play the ball.

It would need to be able to tell when the goalkeeper has gone up for a corner etc.

A fancy camera is great, but a camera can't do any of that, you need software, and probably bespoke hardware as well.
 
Yeh, yeh, yeh, you get back on your play station technology. I’m happy to stand by what I said, 👍

You’ll be allowed to know one day!
 
When you’ve quite finished gents. If you want to continue your conversation please do so in private.
 
Yeh, yeh, yeh, you get back on your play station technology. I’m happy to stand by what I said, 👍

You’ll be allowed to know one day!
If you have been privvy to such information, you’ve probably signed an NDA and even suggesting that it exists would be a breach of that so I’d be careful. Not a dig, just a heads up

Anyway, back on topic. I can only see VAR as a good thing based on that England game personally. If that Lingard goal was given against my club, or a penalty was given for that ‘handball’ against my club I’d be gutted. If it takes 2 minutes to sort out, then fine but the Bundesliga is a big example of how it will improve. When they first started using it it was a mess but in the second half of the season, the average review time was under a minute.

These are all referees who have gone through their entire career without technology and suddenly they are being asked to use it infront of millions of people. Confidence is bound to be low as they don’t want to get it wrong.
 
If you have been privvy to such information, you’ve probably signed an NDA and even suggesting that it exists would be a breach of that so I’d be careful. Not a dig, just a heads up

Anyway, back on topic. I can only see VAR as a good thing based on that England game personally. If that Lingard goal was given against my club, or a penalty was given for that ‘handball’ against my club I’d be gutted. If it takes 2 minutes to sort out, then fine but the Bundesliga is a big example of how it will improve. When they first started using it it was a mess but in the second half of the season, the average review time was under a minute.

These are all referees who have gone through their entire career without technology and suddenly they are being asked to use it infront of millions of people. Confidence is bound to be low as they don’t want to get it wrong.
That's the thing. You're an advocate of forsaking spontaneous celebration with atmosphere sapping reviews, all to achieve extremely marginal decisions which seem contrary to the spirit of any game. You're not alone, the younger generation crave the 'right' result at all costs. A mindset which is consistent with refusing to accept the infield decision and all the dissent that breeds. I've needed to lose something to realise what we had in the first place, namely 'the rub of the green'; which has always been an endearing aspect of sport.
 
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