Juv vs Sal
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Don't really see the issue here, he was clearly in an offside position and clearly made an attempt to play the ball.
The fact that the scorer has rocks for brains and takes his shirt off when he is already on a yellow has got nothing to do with VAR, that's just pure stupidity.
The fact that the scorer has rocks for brains and takes his shirt off when he is already on a yellow has got nothing to do with VAR, that's just pure stupidity.
bester
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What opponent did it clearly impact?
It's actually not clear. The var seemed to miss the defender standing over near the corner who was probably keeping him on.
I think it's a massive stretch to say that Bonucci's attempt to play the ball has impacted the goalkeeper here. He less-than-halfheartedly puts his arm up, but if he was genuinely affected by Bonucci's being there then I guarantee you he would be appealing much more vociferously.
The shirt pull definitely happens before the offside 'offence' (it doesn't matter if he's in an offside position when he's fouled, it only matters whether he commits an offside offence before or after the foul happens).
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I can understand making the judgement call about interfering with an opponent (even if I disagree with it), but to have missed that is appalling. If it's a case of the VAR not having access to an angle which shows all the way across the pitch, then that's something that clearly should have been identified and sorted in advance. If they had a view which showed it and they've just missed it, then that is utterly amateurish.
socal lurker
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I’m fine with the interfering due to the attempt—the GK to deal with someone attempting to head the ball that close to the goal. I think this is the kind of play that language was put in for.
On the OS, part of what I find as mystifying is I would expect the AR to have been saying that it was the player on the far side that kept the attacker on. So if they can’t find a video with that player’s location, shouldn’t that in and of itself mean there can’t be a C&O error?
This is even more madness
There was confusion. VAR added to the confusion by the unexpected very late intervention
The rest was just an embarrassing. Pretty much where the game ends up so frequently. Partly the fault of the participants, mostly the fault of the way the game is officiated IMO (players/managers only behave the way they've been conditioned or allowed to)
The rest was just an embarrassing. Pretty much where the game ends up so frequently. Partly the fault of the participants, mostly the fault of the way the game is officiated IMO (players/managers only behave the way they've been conditioned or allowed to)
Your prejudices are stopping you taking a fair look at this.
If we ignore the wide player, this is textbook VAR and exactly what it exists for - a game that would have otherwise been decided by an "unfair" goal is 100% what people would have moaned about pre-VAR and is absolutely part of the justification for it's existence.
The players are a full-on disgrace though. They have no idea what he's being sent to the screen for - so what are they arguing about? He's given the most mandatory of mandatory yellows, which happens to be a second, then has been asked to review "something" - these are incredibly standard calls, nothing controversial happens until well after the bench-emptying brawl has already occurred. Awful discipline from these "professionals", it's a shame the actual VAR call is going to overshadow that, because that's the real story here for me.
The goalkeeper makes no adjustment whatsoever due to Bonucci attempting to play the ball. His feet are planted, he doesn't move, he just watches the ball fly straight in the net. There is simply no evidence that Bonucci's presence has impacted the goalkeeper.
Just attempting to play the ball isn't an offside offence on its own.
RefIADad
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To be honest, this is a pointless debate. The defender near the far corner arc is clearly keeping everyone in the penalty area onside. It’s not even close. This is one that if it was given as offside on the field in MLS (where Hawkeye lines are not in use and the call on the field stands unless there is clear evidence to overturn an offside), the mowing lines of the field and the goal area line would clearly and obviously show everyone in the penalty area as onside.
It’s just a shocking miss by the VAR team.
It’s just a shocking miss by the VAR team.
I disagree - any of us could have a situation like this (ignoring the matter of the defender playing him onside) when we're officiating this weekend, so it's good to discuss it.
Again, there is no evidence from the replays that Bonucci's presence has impacted the goalkeeper.
Russell Jones
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Rightly or wrongly, I think football expects this goal to be chalked off because of the attempted play on the ball (in the scenario where the attacker is deemed to have been in an Offside position). You're right, there's no evidence that the GK was impacted, however the argument would be that he didn't move because of the possible header from the attacker in an offside position. It's the same kind of logic as chalking off the goal because of an offside attacker clearly in the light of sight of the GK, even when it's blindingly obvious that the GK wouldn't have saved it regardless. I have sympathy with your POV but would still have been massively surprised to see VAR or the referee follow through with that logic