Looked for contact, found contact, went down like an extra on Platoon with tuck... 3 game ban in Scotland!
Row locks.....the scenario posted is dive and or penalty....keep upI suggest it doesn't. He could have been fouled and then got up and punched him in retaliation. A pen and a rc. Mane was fouled but also dived. Foul came first.
Having seen it again, I decided he was impeded but he also dived. Pen and yc for Mane anyone?
Mike Dean (legend) just caught a dive in the Newc-Manc game. Class.
How about punishing the more serious offence. Not all contact is a foul. I don't think that the contact (if there indeed was any) impeded the player sufficiently (to do anything other than try to cheat from it). The game would be so much better without this nonsense, so a caution for simulation would've smelled right as the foul was was subjective with a capital S (but the dive was a joke)How? His foot is on the floor when it was tripped so couldn't look for anything, not giving a foul there would be just plain wrong, and cautioning for simulation would be way beyond wrong.
I think you're the one who should be taking a fitness test. Maybe you could read and understand the response properly before you reply.Row locks.....the scenario posted is dive and or penalty....keep up
I've seen plenty more ridiculous decisions. Clattenberk in the MU v CPFC FA cup final in only yc Smalling for a start. The IDFK is separate to the caution for simulation in the same way a punch by Mane sees him get sent off but the penalty still given. Disappointing that the only objection on this forum to a pen and yc for Mane is that the ref would never sell it. There are a lot of laws that the players don't know about and their ignorance of them doesn't stop the appropriate action being taken. FWIW I would have given a pen for the challenge in real time and wouldn't have yc Mane but if we want to stop diving (if only to force the ref to make a call) then perhaps we seriously should consider yc Mane for his flop.If you were to give that then that would be the most ridiculous decision I would have ever seen!!
Simulation is punished by an IDFK and a caution. You CANNOT give a penalty and then caution for simulation as it is an idfk offence.
With regards to the actual pen, soft but he caught is foot. I wouldn’t complain if it was given, I wouldn’t complain if it wasn’t.
Finally.... someone with an opinion! Where have you been?I've seen plenty more ridiculous decisions. Clattenberk in the MU v CPFC FA cup final in only yc Smalling for a start. The IDFK is separate to the caution for simulation in the same way a punch by Mane sees him get sent off but the penalty still given. Disappointing that the only objection on this forum to a pen and yc for Mane is that the ref would never sell it. There are a lot of laws that the players don't know about and their ignorance of them doesn't stop the appropriate action being taken. FWIW I would have given a pen for the challenge in real time and wouldn't have yc Mane but if we want to stop diving (if only to force the ref to make a call) then perhaps we seriously should consider yc Mane for his flop.
There is no such thing as an FA definition. However @one has given the official IFAB definition which makes it clear that if you give simulation, that means you are saying the foul did not occur. If you give the foul, the definition given in the Laws of the Game rules out the option of also giving simulation.Is your definition of a dive or simulation, an FA definition?
I've seen plenty more ridiculous decisions. Clattenberk in the MU v CPFC FA cup final in only yc Smalling for a start. The IDFK is separate to the caution for simulation in the same way a punch by Mane sees him get sent off but the penalty still given. Disappointing that the only objection on this forum to a pen and yc for Mane is that the ref would never sell it. There are a lot of laws that the players don't know about and their ignorance of them doesn't stop the appropriate action being taken. FWIW I would have given a pen for the challenge in real time and wouldn't have yc Mane but if we want to stop diving (if only to force the ref to make a call) then perhaps we seriously should consider yc Mane for his flop.
My angle is that the contact (if indeed there was any) was trivial, did not impede Mane, who then sought to seek an unfair advantage. Thinking about it, I guess it wouldn't be supported in Law to punish the more serious offence, because the contact and the dive didn't happen simultaneously. Either way, I'm giving an IDFK and USB and it's just a question of how I justify it to an observer that countsThere is no such thing as an FA definition. However @one has given the official IFAB definition which makes it clear that if you give simulation, that means you are saying the foul did not occur. If you give the foul, the definition given in the Laws of the Game rules out the option of also giving simulation.
I suppose you could theoretically, caution the player for unsporting behaviour of you really, really wanted to - though I agree with others who have said they definitely wouldn't recommend it.