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Sin Bin question (again)

#41
Can anybody explain the thinking behind letting a player committing dissent twice being replaced once they have served their second sin bin?

How does this benefit the non-offending team?
 

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#42
The thinking is that dissent is against the referee and not the non-offending team. So there is no requirement for the opponents to benefit from it (to re-balance the game).
Its is also designed to minimise the occurrence of dissent. The player and his team are punished significantly by having one less player for 10 minutes after the first offence (peer pressure). After the 2nd offence although the player shouldn't play anymore if he hasn't learnt his lesson, his team playing the rest of the game down one player is somewhat excessive, so he can be replaced after ten minutes.

You may not agree with it but that is the reason (what I think anyway).
 

QuaverRef

I used to be indecisive but now i'm not so sure
#43
Can anybody explain the thinking behind letting a player committing dissent twice being replaced once they have served their second sin bin?

How does this benefit the non-offending team?
The non-offending team are benefited for at least 20 minutes for both sin bins so they benefit more in the short term anyway, but it's not designed to help the non offending team, it's designed to stop the offender from playing in an attempt to eradicate it from the game altogether
 
#44
The non-offending team are benefited for at least 20 minutes for both sin bins so they benefit more in the short term anyway, but it's not designed to help the non offending team, it's designed to stop the offender from playing in an attempt to eradicate it from the game altogether
I see your thinking BUT when a player is sent off for any other yellow card offences the non-offending team gets a permanent advantage. Under this they get a temporary advantage.

Are we going down a route where a player sent off for 2 non-dissent yellow card offences are also going to get replaced?

Committing yellow card offences is not helping your team but they will get a replacement when you have done two sin bins.

Why not make this the rule for all 2 yellow card send offs? Is this the start of something?
 
#45
Here in France, a 2nd Sin Bin offence is treated as a 2nd Yellow, so becomes a Red. Also any Sin Bin offence followed by a Yellow Card offence is treated as 2nd Yellow. Conversely, a Yellow followed by Sin Bin offence still only gives the 10 minutes!
 

QuaverRef

I used to be indecisive but now i'm not so sure
#46
I see your thinking BUT when a player is sent off for any other yellow card offences the non-offending team gets a permanent advantage. Under this they get a temporary advantage.

Are we going down a route where a player sent off for 2 non-dissent yellow card offences are also going to get replaced?

Committing yellow card offences is not helping your team but they will get a replacement when you have done two sin bins.

Why not make this the rule for all 2 yellow card send offs? Is this the start of something?
The idea behind the sin bin isn’t to benefit the opposition, it’s to make the individual learn a lesson. The reason it only applies to dissent is because that is an incident directly towards a referee by a player, something the FA wants to see the end of so by giving them a direct consequence, they will bit hit with a worse punishment at the exact moment they commit the offence rather then just a 10 quid fine in the middle of week.

I don’t know the percentage of second yellows shown per game but it isn’t many. A player on the pitch who receives a caution without a sin bin would accept that and just move on, but they haven’t learnt a lesson. The player would much rather take that, than have to sit out 10 minutes of a match and be hated by their team.
 
#47
I have just started refereeing in a new league that are trialing the sin bin and the main problem im having with the sin bin law is that most players,coaches and spectator dont understand the law so they keep questioning me and accusing me of making things up.

Why cant they introduce a third colour card for the sin bin like (Blue card)
 

QuaverRef

I used to be indecisive but now i'm not so sure
#49
I have just started refereeing in a new league that are trialing the sin bin and the main problem im having with the sin bin law is that most players,coaches and spectator dont understand the law so they keep questioning me and accusing me of making things up.

Why cant they introduce a third colour card for the sin bin like (Blue card)
My County FA forced all club chairman and Secs to attend a briefing for the Sin bin, along with all referee's. Failure to attend resulting in no fixtures being assigned to that club or referee.

I do agree about the cards though. I think it's a poor error of judgement to just use yellows as it's confusing for spectators and any players who aren't aware of the rules properly
 
#50
I have just started refereeing in a new league that are trialing the sin bin and the main problem im having with the sin bin law is that most players,coaches and spectator dont understand the law so they keep questioning me and accusing me of making things up.

Why cant they introduce a third colour card for the sin bin like (Blue card)
They will soon learn the rules when it costs them games
 
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