Why are we not looking at where OFR's do work!
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Why are we not looking at where OFR's do work!
PinnerPaul
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Yep - said it before.
Went to Hockey last season. Review was instigated by the referee who looked at big screen with crowd. She explained why she had asked for a review, what she was looking at and the reason for her final decision.
Went to Hockey last season. Review was instigated by the referee who looked at big screen with crowd. She explained why she had asked for a review, what she was looking at and the reason for her final decision.
Can you substantiate this claim?
My Google searches for VAR reception across European Leagues return mixed levels of criticism
I agree that the PGMOL have made things marginally worse, but the OFR won't be the magic remedy for numerous reasons
Todays referee at Man City lives within 5 miles of the stadium!! His accent will certainly fit in with the locals!!! Mad for it 
OK, unequivocally saying it "Works" might be an overstatement, but right now I'd happily take "mixed levels of criticism" over the absolute mess we have here.
Speaking to mates in pubs, it seems the VAR "complaints" are about offsides... which are now "proven" to be either on or off, and then causes a controversy being being marginal, but correct; or it's a decision that is/isn't given that's correctly overturned by a check. VAR isn't robbing anyone of anything they shouldn't be entitled to under Law. Easy to rant at a "VAR" overlord over the course of six months, rather than a different poor fella who might have got it right/wrong each Saturday though innit.
"Clear and obvious" doesn't mean a foul should be clear and obvious.
Also: f*ck off with any club bias. No one at any level of administration gives two ****s who wins. There's no narrative, only income.
"Clear and obvious" doesn't mean a foul should be clear and obvious.
Also: f*ck off with any club bias. No one at any level of administration gives two ****s who wins. There's no narrative, only income.
WiisardNic
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Yeah, I wouldn't say it "works" here, but it does have it's moments to shine., as well as its issues like toenail and armpit offsides earlier in the year.
santa sangria
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Actually TV and radio love Irish and Scottish accents. It’s why Scots have historically won a lot of radio promos. I kid you not.
zarathustra
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I agree with this.
Even on here, bar the odd occasion, people aren't complaining about VAR being incorrect in law, all they are complaining about is that their teams are missing out because of correct, if marginal, decisions and the fact it spoils the spectacle.
zarathustra
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Absolutely, it's a travesty when their team have a goal correctly ruled out for a marginal offside, but it's great officiating when their opponents have a goal ruled out for a marginal offside.
It would be interesting to see a fan poll on whether we keep VAR or not. My guess would be to get rid, even City fans were singing that song this weekend!
onthebrink
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I think it's the fact we can hear the audio that makes this work effectively rather than necessarily the use of the monitors. I'm easy either way with the use of pitchside monitors - if the referee had produced a red card without looking I'd have bene ifne with that too.
I think the ideal in the longer term would be to show replays on the big screens with the officials mic'd up. It allows the supporters in the ground to see what's going on, helps everyone involved to know the thought process and takes away the debate regarding the time taken to physically run to a pitchside monitor.
I think the ideal in the longer term would be to show replays on the big screens with the officials mic'd up. It allows the supporters in the ground to see what's going on, helps everyone involved to know the thought process and takes away the debate regarding the time taken to physically run to a pitchside monitor.
To be fair, this is a very straightforward VAR check. The two examples that I've seen where the referee was able to explain his decision were both from straightforward corrections (as in the red card was given after the VAR review). It would be interesting to see the reaction to a more 50/50 decision, or not so obvious red cards. I think allowing the stadium to hear the referee is a good idea, but it's also even more pressure on the referee in an already intense situation. All it takes is a very slight slip up in wording to make a 50,000 capacity stadium turn against you, even if you are right. Also, this relies on the football fans knowing the laws. For example, we always hear the commentators say that a red card challenge using excessive force, is "a reckless tackle", or a careless foul is "reckless". I do think post-match interviews can be good (if the referee is willing to partake). In Howard Webb's autobiography, I remember a bit where he says this, as there isn't a platform for referees to explain what they saw, from their angle. I think a change in attitude is needed - in England people assume that just because a referee is in the Premier League, he should never make mistakes and fans tend to be very ignorant toward referees and explanations for 50/50 or controversial decisions.
onthebrink
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To some extent, refereeing has to lead the education from within. There are so many platforms now that can be used to provide your perspective and try and educate people. I don't think it would take too long for people to start adjusting.
I'm not a regular rugby watcher but when I see a World Cup or 6 Nations match I get an understanding of what they are looking for when considering if a tackle is a red card for instance. I think if the will was there it would be possible to have referees effectively explain their decisions.
I'm not a regular rugby watcher but when I see a World Cup or 6 Nations match I get an understanding of what they are looking for when considering if a tackle is a red card for instance. I think if the will was there it would be possible to have referees effectively explain their decisions.
It’s important the broadcasters and journalists don’t try to purposely make the ref look silly in the same way managers tend to. If done in the right way, this sort of thing would give refereeing a much better profile
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