Not a blunder this time! Bit of a funny one
How on earth is is clear? He shows the yellow card and the player thinks he's confirming that sanction and starts to walk off - he then has to be called back in order to have the red shown. It's incredibly messy!a great example of perfect use of VAR.
Excellent comunication by ref, Amazingly finding myself at odds with the above, its crystal clear whats going on.
None of which makes it clear or obvious to either the player or fans. Just because "it's the protocol", doesn't magically make it clear, sensible or the best thing to do. It's entirely valid to raise the fact that the protocol didn't work well in this situation and could probably be improved on.Its also the protocol.......
its also been done countless times before.
step 1 Show the card
step 2 Make it clear that card is now null and void
Step 3 Show the correct card
its really as easy as that
Agree completely. But I don't see how waving both cards around and making un-defined hand gestures clears anything up really. It's obvious from the clip that the player thinks he's got away with it, I couldn't tell until a second viewing why the yellow card was out.....it could definitely be improvedIts a show for the spectators. Its easier for them to understand the rescinding of a yellow and issuing of a red with all those gestures. They can't hear the referee. One of the complaints about VAR was that the spectators don't know what is going on.
None of which makes it clear or obvious to either the player or fans. Just because "it's the protocol", doesn't magically make it clear, sensible or the best thing to do. It's entirely valid to raise the fact that the protocol didn't work well in this situation and could probably be improved on.
The card is a communication tool, nothing more. As a referee, I'm empowered to issue cautions and dismiss players without a yellow or red piece of plastic. And in this situation, in practical terms, it doesn't matter in the slightest that the yellow has been rescinded.Oh the player know exactly whats going on. Don't be fooled by his innocent confused face. (typed this before I saw Ciley's post)
Can you think of a better way to signal a card has been rescinded? I have done it before for mistaken identity and used exactly the same gesture/signal. All players understood it.
The card is a communication tool, nothing more. As a referee, I'm empowered to issue cautions and dismiss players without a yellow or red piece of plastic. And in this situation, in practical terms, it doesn't matter in the slightest that the yellow has been rescinded.
Tell the player the caution has been upgraded to a dismissal, show the red card and do what you need to do in your post-match report to clarify that the caution was rescinded. Don't get the yellow card out because there's no need to do so.
I posted first!100% incorrect. yes get the yellow out due to the exact reasons you yourself state ! Its a communication tool !!
Go on, email Dave. Ask him what to do....seeing as you pour scorn on (esp my) entirely correct version of what to do.
Here's my point... does it need to be clear and sundry to all at tha point. In both events the player leaves FOP as red card. Confirm with manager sanction upgraded at point of viewing. The club can do a statement after. To confirm, during the game blah blah was given two yellows. On consulting VAR OFR upgraded and reported a different offence e.g. VC so blah blah will be unavailable for X games.Oh the player know exactly whats going on. Don't be fooled by his innocent confused face. (typed this before I saw Ciley's post)
Can you think of a better way to signal a card has been rescinded? I have done it before for mistaken identity and used exactly the same gesture/signal. All players understood it.
As I said in post #6, it has to do with the feedback they have had through trials and during use from the public and fans. They want to know what is going on. The commentators have been complaining about not knowing what is going on. Why has he left? Has he been sent off? But he was only shown a yellow card... The show of cards and and signals is not for the player. Its for everyone else.The card is a communication tool, nothing more. As a referee, I'm empowered to issue cautions and dismiss players without a yellow or red piece of plastic. And in this situation, in practical terms, it doesn't matter in the slightest that the yellow has been rescinded.
Tell the player the caution has been upgraded to a dismissal, show the red card and do what you need to do in your post-match report to clarify that the caution was rescinded. Don't get the yellow card out because there's no need to do so.
I posted first!