That was a very bad attempt at a header.
I'm talking about a goal line scramble and a player 'arms it in'.
Palace v Leeds
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I'm talking about a goal line scramble and a player 'arms it in'.
onthebrink
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I don't see the difference. Last season the Arsenal goal would have been disallowed, this year it counts because you can now play the ball with that part of your body (regardless of if intentional or accidental.) Therefore, that part of body is now included in offside measurement.
one
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That must be a very long short sleeve. That line looks closer to bamford's elbow that his armpit.
Also how is it that the Palace player to his right hasn't put him on?
Offside is now a factual decision made subjectively based on the opinion of the VAR. This game is ruined. It sounds like they are trying to make up for the extra goals they give with ridiculous VAR handball penalty decisions.
Also how is it that the Palace player to his right hasn't put him on?
Offside is now a factual decision made subjectively based on the opinion of the VAR. This game is ruined. It sounds like they are trying to make up for the extra goals they give with ridiculous VAR handball penalty decisions.
LothianRef
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Not for me. All it would do is shift the debate to the back of the attacker, instead of the front as it currently is.
Simple solution. Do away with the screen lines. Without the lines which in this case was drawn arbitrarily on Bamfords arm, this will look onside all day long and should have stood. No need for someone to be picking body points and putting down lines. The whole point of VAR is to correct obvious errors and to show if a decision was clearly wrong. This was not an error or clearly wrong and should have stood.
They need to go back to 'Clear and Obvious error' when they make any VAR decisions.......this disallowed offside to me smacks of someone being 'smug' and showing everyone 'look at what I can do' .......the lines are still placed on the screen by an official who can manipulate where an arm, leg, toe or armpit starts/finishes and which frame they use to decide when a pass was made.
VAR is causing more unnecessary debate then ever.......are we seeing the lower divisions screaming out for VAR to be introduced for them or officials being criticized more than before in those divisions, the answers NO, because for 150 years the game has survived without it. VAR should be used for the likes of the Maradona or Thierry Henry handballs that changed the cause of matches and were blatant cheating.
VAR is causing more unnecessary debate then ever.......are we seeing the lower divisions screaming out for VAR to be introduced for them or officials being criticized more than before in those divisions, the answers NO, because for 150 years the game has survived without it. VAR should be used for the likes of the Maradona or Thierry Henry handballs that changed the cause of matches and were blatant cheating.
Clear and obvious was NEVER a consideration for offside.
Offside is factual - a player is or is not offside. Another issue with the images is they are not at 90 degrees which can create the impression that the other defender plays him on.
Please also remember that this is not a fan forum. Your later paragraph borders on conspiracy theory fan forum stuff. There is no place for that here. We call out errors for what they are, but suggesting untoward, less than honest decision making (ie manipulating; cheating etc) is not acceptable.
It's only factual if VAR had suitable technology. It doesn't. It's all still based on opinion (which freeze frame to choose and where to draw the line).
The handball debate was to do with dodgy handball penalty decisions and should stick to being uses for only handball - like in that picture.
Offsides should be a normal playable part of the body like it has been. Maybe in 10 games, the ball would hit 1 player's upper arm once. Its not normally used to play football.
They've combined two rules together here and as an outcome, this goal was bizarrely ruled out coz a player pointed somewhere. This is not the reason for the original rule change (to stop silly handball penalties)
If its Factual.....why is it causing so much controversy.....pundits and ex-players calling this the 'worst decision' ever......I'm not a supporter of Leeds or Palace, the point I was making was a VAR official makes the decision on which frame to choose to call the offside and were a line is placed which is open to an individuals interpretation.
onthebrink
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I don't think it's as simple as many say. They tried it in Australia I believe but then broadcasters/clubs/supporters added their own lines in to replays after to 'prove' a decision was wrong, so they changed to the method we have in PL.
RefIADad
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Except that VAR does not factor inevitable human error into account with drawing the lines and determining the exact point of playing the ball.
Just get rid of the lines and go with the clear and obvious error standard when reviewing. No one objectively wants to see this play overruled.
RefIADad
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Who cares what these people do? They are irrelevant and only want to stir controversy. I could not care less what these people do. They can’t even get basic laws right, so why does anyone care about how they draw lines?
The moment referees start listening to pundits and ex players, we’re all screwed
PinnerPaul
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Agree - but also frame rate has to determine (as per law) when the Leeds player FIRST touched the ball - it can't with 100% accuracy - so 'offside' player position isn't totally accurate. Agree (for a change) with Gary Lineker - review using 'normal' freeze frame - if too close to call its 'level' and onside.
Football is losing its audience - GL said he asked on twitter if VAR should be kept or junked and out of a response of 250,000, 75% wanted it got rid of.
Now we can sit here from our position of knowledge of the laws, the VAR process and how it works & pour scorn on the fans' opinions but if that opinion is mirrored across all fans - then that's something the authorities should take note of.
PinnerPaul
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how about 75% of fans?
socal lurker
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Nit pick: OS position is factual. Active involvement by interfering with an opponent is judgment.
In the US, MLS does not use lines. As best I can tell, that’s led to less controversy than places with lines, as there seems to be more of an acceptance of the idea it is too close to reverse. (Admittedly, the US is also less rabid about soccer.)