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Martiju said:
FKs are different from corners though, in that regard. A corner is a technical restart, but a FK is meant to 'make good' the opportunity that would have existed if a foul hadn't occurred. In my mind this is then a restart that must take place, otherwise it would make sense for any side trying to cling onto a scoreline to foul the opponent repeatedly until time runs out.

This came up in one of the FA Cup games last week too I think, where a goal was scored following a FK after the minimum added time had elapsed. I know the manager was furious about it. You can see why at first glance but I think this does make sense when you think about it.
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That's why I come on here, you learn something new (nearly!) every day.

Excellent stuff, thanks, I'll use that line of reasoning if it ever comes up in one of my games.
 
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Martiju said:
FKs are different from corners though, in that regard. A corner is a technical restart, but a FK is meant to 'make good' the opportunity that would have existed if a foul hadn't occurred. In my mind this is then a restart that must take place, otherwise it would make sense for any side trying to cling onto a scoreline to foul the opponent repeatedly until time runs out.

This came up in one of the FA Cup games last week too I think, where a goal was scored following a FK after the minimum added time had elapsed. I know the manager was furious about it. You can see why at first glance but I think this does make sense when you think about it.
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It does and it doesn't. The LOTG specify a single time in which a game is extended to allow for punishment of an offense: a PK. So I don't think you can say, consistent with the Laws, that a FK "must" take place. But the Laws also allow the referee discretion to make up for lost time. I think this is more than a bit hazy. And I think every referee handles this a bit differently.
 
Do we think there's a possibility that these Hublot watches are gaining a fraction of time?
I have an expensive Omega and it keeps terrible time. The cost of a watch and its accuracy are not always directly proportional. Quite the opposite depending on 'automatic movement' etc.
Seems odd that referees are frequently doing something we haven't really seen before. Ending the game 3 to 5 seconds early that is
 
Interesting idea, but that would be a pretty awful error rate for a 45 minute half. Even at three seconds, that would be over a minute and a half per day.
 
When does the game end? When the referee starts to blow the whistle, or when he has finished?
I think the problem. We have in this debate is we can't see the referees watch. The refs watch is ways likely to be slightly ahead of the TV as refs start the watches and then blow which will lead to loss of sync. We are assuming the ref is blowing early in actual fact the ref is probably blowing bang on time

On a side note who invented the pip pip peeeep that all referees use to denote as the end of the game?
 
JamesL said:
On a side note who invented the pip pip peeeep that all referees use to denote as the end of the game?
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Interesting question and I'd love to know. All I know is that it has been around for at least 40 years. (But it isn't entirely universal--but I'm always surprised when I watch a game and hear something different. I think there are countries where it is not as much of a "thing" as it is in the US and UK.)
 
JamesL said:
When does the game end? When the referee starts to blow the whistle, or when he has finished?
I think the problem. We have in this debate is we can't see the referees watch. The refs watch is ways likely to be slightly ahead of the TV as refs start the watches and then blow which will lead to loss of sync. We are assuming the ref is blowing early in actual fact the ref is probably blowing bang on time

On a side note who invented the pip pip peeeep that all referees use to denote as the end of the game?
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JamesL said:
On a side note who invented the pip pip peeeep
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Thanks for the new sig
 
Watch Michael Oliver when he is refereeing. I may be wrong but he appears to blow the whistle to take the knee and start the watch at that point, so he in particular is always likely to be a few seconds off the TV clock. Haven't seen it as noticeable with other referees, but I have seen it where by the time the TV clock appears it isn't aligned to when the referee blew the whistle.
 
RustyRef said:
Watch Michael Oliver when he is refereeing. I may be wrong but he appears to blow the whistle to take the knee and start the watch at that point, so he in particular is always likely to be a few seconds off the TV clock. Haven't seen it as noticeable with other referees, but I have seen it where by the time the TV clock appears it isn't aligned to when the referee blew the whistle.
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I thought they were just timing the knee taking.
I think the obvious answer to the debate is that the broadcast clock is not as accurate as we need it to settle the debate. 😁
 
I'm the outcast on this whole "pip pip peeeep" thing. At halftime, I blow the whistle twice. I blow the whistle three times at full time. I have zero idea why I do this, but I think my reasoning was:

First whistle stops play
Second whistle signals the end of the half (so I use this for both halves)
Third whistle signals full time

I've never had someone ask me yet why I just blow the whistle twice at halftime.
 
RefIADad said:
I'm the outcast on this whole "pip pip peeeep" thing. At halftime, I blow the whistle twice. I blow the whistle three times at full time. I have zero idea why I do this, but I think my reasoning was:

First whistle stops play
Second whistle signals the end of the half (so I use this for both halves)
Third whistle signals full time

I've never had someone ask me yet why I just blow the whistle twice at halftime.
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I’m the same as yourself. Two whistles half time and three at full.
 
RefIADad said:
I'm the outcast on this whole "pip pip peeeep" thing. At halftime, I blow the whistle twice. I blow the whistle three times at full time. I have zero idea why I do this, but I think my reasoning was:

First whistle stops play
Second whistle signals the end of the half (so I use this for both halves)
Third whistle signals full time

I've never had someone ask me yet why I just blow the whistle twice at halftime.
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Same. I think it's pretty common.

I was taught the three at the end of the game as traditional by a retired FIFA ref in the late 70s at my first referee class. I'm not sure when I started the two at half time.
 
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