Fair challenge?

[Pembroke]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1974503409593029040

Bottom clip. I think this is careless/reckless and a penalty?

 

[DavidObs]

I really do dislike it when anyone says they were robbed by the Referee. It’s a horrid expression and often incorrectly used.

 

[Pembroke]

I really do dislike it when anyone says they were robbed by the Referee. It’s a horrid expression and often incorrectly used.

Isn't that a penalty?

 

[DavidObs]

Isn't that a penalty?

I think it would be very reasonable to have awarded a penalty, especially from what appears to be a credible position by the Referee. However, it’s still subjective & even if an error was made, then to describe it as ‘robbed’ is an OTT reaction. The definition of robbed “is take property (of any sort) unlawfully from (a person or place) by force or threat of force” - or in other words a criminal offence.

 

[Johnson]

I’d be curious to hear others’ thoughts on this but I’m not giving a penalty. Since the defender is attempting to play the ball, his momentum carries him into the attacker and he’s only putting his hands out to protect himself, I don’t think this meets the relatively high threshold for awarding a penalty when there is no impact on the ability of the attacker to play the ball.

 

[RefereeX]

I think I'm on the side of foul, penalty and yellow card. Reckless by the player to challenge the attacker aerially with such forward momentum and he gets none of the ball and a fair bit of the man. With that said, I entirely agree with @DavidObs above.

 

[JamesL]

I’d be curious to hear others’ thoughts on this but I’m not giving a penalty. Since the defender is attempting to play the ball, his momentum carries him into the attacker and he’s only putting his hands out to protect himself, I don’t think this meets the relatively high threshold for awarding a penalty when there is no impact on the ability of the attacker to play the ball.

Red heads the ball and then blues head hits the head of the red player having missed his own attempt at a header. I get high threshold for penalty but I personally think this sits on the side of the threshold to award a penalty kick.
I don't like the phrase but anywhere else on the pitch...

 

[Runner Ref]

Pen for me. Do wonder if the seemingly lack of appeals from the players has almost conned the referee into not giving a penalty

 

[one]

I'm I the only one who sees this as SFP? It's a headbutt. White is not even looking at the flight of the ball.

 

[DavidObs]

Pen for me. Do wonder if the seemingly lack of appeals from the players has almost conned the referee into not giving a penalty

I am probably too pick/easily offended when it comes to Referees mostly because although they know that everything comes with the territory at this level of football & beyond, nevertheless, they put in so much time & commitment etc etc that players & spectators don’t even think about that I would like to use the word influenced rather than conned.

 

[DavidObs]

I'm I the only one who sees this as SFP? It's a headbutt. White is not even looking at the flight of the ball.

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I can definitely see where you are coming from, but in real time, it would have been very difficult to have sold. Even when looking at the actual clips, I can see late & even reckless, but overall, not an SFP (for me).

 

[Archer]

They’d have missed it anyway. Up the Gas.

 

[bloovee]

Pen - just not looking at the ball.

 

[Johnson]

Yeah, I definitely got the no call wrong lol. Still not convinced about reckless though (low intensity).

 

[Pembroke]

I'm I the only one who sees this as SFP? It's a headbutt. White is not even looking at the flight of the ball.

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I posted this because I thought it was interesting. The QPR player starts in a position and jumps in a position where he clearly is looking at the ball, but inevitably collides with the opponent. For myself it is a penalty but careless play bordering on reckless. A millisecond later and the QPR player would be nowhere near the ball. Its really fine margins between each decision.