Read your additional advice then get back to us. I could tell you what it says but I think you'll benefit more from looking it up yourself.I'd say wrong, but then IMO someone picking the ball up like that is cautionable. The joys of refereeing!
Why not? As xPositor pointed out earlier, advantage can be applied to any offence. Which part of the law precludes offside offences from the advantage clause?You can't play 'advantage' for an offside
A player being in an offside position is not the same as awarding a free-kick for offside. The infringement for offside only occurs when you award the free-kick, otherwise it is just "play on".
Yes, I agree it us sometimes better to let play to progress from the goalkeepers hands rather that the free-kick but for advantage to be applied you should have a "enhanced attacking potential" not just procession. How can advantage occur when the ball is 20 yards behind the location of an offence.
Acknowledging the flag, is also not advantage, just good practice.
This is just a technical point, what you are doing is correct just it is not advantage, as defined.
Because in most football (and certainly all the grassroots and youth I've been involved in) it's advantageous for the defending team as the GK can kick the ball from his hands much further up the field than a player can off the ground from a FK for offside.
Like @joe cunningham, I too have seen numerous examples of premiership referees signalling advantage when carrying on play despite an offside. @lincs22 , I think you're missing the scenario where a) there is a player in an offside position, b) he becomes active and therefore actually commits an offence but c) it's better, for whatever reason, for the defending team to play on rather than have the FK. Cast iron advantage, no different to other types of infringement ....
Why not? As xPositor pointed out earlier, advantage can be applied to any offence. Which part of the law precludes offside offences from the advantage clause?
Hmmm, interesting debate. And I have to say I'm not convinced. To continue with your analogy, offside player heads the ball and it goes into the arms of the keeper. You think he's got it under control so shout for him to keep going .. but it slips out of his grasp and the offside attacker scores a goal. I'm guessing you're going to bring it back for the original offside offence, exactly as you would have done in a more standard 'Advantage' situation. So why on earth complicate things by deciding that Offside is somehow fundamentally different and needs to be handled in a unique way?It is just ugly refereeing... So much easier to go "Keeping Going keeper, you have it".
There is no advantage from offside. Either the offence doesn't exist or you don't give it.
You were right to award the handball.
THISA player being in an offside position is not the same as awarding a free-kick for offside. The infringement for offside only occurs when you award the free-kick, otherwise it is just "play on".
Yes, I agree it us sometimes better to let play to progress from the goalkeepers hands rather that the free-kick but for advantage to be applied you should have a "enhanced attacking potential" not just procession. How can advantage occur when the ball is 20 yards behind the location of an offence.
Acknowledging the flag, is also not advantage, just good practice.
This is just a technical point, what you are doing is correct just it is not advantage, as defined.
I'd do it exactly the same way and I'd penalise any referee who didn't. The player didn't play to the whistle. There can't have been an offside offence (player in an offside position, yes, but no offside offence). Some people on here are demonstrating their lack of understanding of the offside law, the nature of football and how players try to make you look stupid.So to summarise the comments from all...
Please learn from my misfortune in this particular example and if somebody raises a flag and you see it, give it (unless the ball is going through to the keeper unchallenged).
On reflection and following this debate, while nobody could account for the stupidity of just picking the ball up, the wise thing to do is award the offside 99% of the time as soon as poss.
If fate goes against you in a random way it can change the game, when the decision you made actually had little if any benefit to the defending team or the game.
Have you read the previous posts? THERE IS NO ADVANTAGE, IT IS THE REFEREE DECIDING NOT TO STOP THE GAME BECAUSE HE ISN'T OBLIGED TO WHEN AN ASSISTANT SIGNALS...or give the advantage signal quicker and very clearly and audibly... Unfortunately, I think you have let down the team in possession here. You were thinking advantage but hadn't signalled, so for the player about to pick up the ball, they are in the dark. Penalising the player seems incredibly harsh in this case.
This does also show up a weakness with advantage law in football. The timing of the signal, time before the signal, and time after signal are grey. It would be much better - more transparent to everyone if, like egg chasing, we could instantly signal advantage, and then have 5-10 seconds to still stop play for the original offence if the advantage does not materialise.
I refer the learned gentleman to the post immediately above his.Brian the PIOP challenged for the ball...
I refer the learned gentleman to the post below his.On what basis can a referee continue play after a PIOP has interfered with play if he's not playing advantage?
Brian, the OP states in the first post, he (or she) was "about to give the big arms and shout advantage".Have you read the previous posts? THERE IS NO ADVANTAGE, IT IS THE REFEREE DECIDING NOT TO STOP THE GAME BECAUSE HE ISN'T OBLIGED TO WHEN AN ASSISTANT SIGNALS
On what basis can a referee continue play after a PIOP has interfered with play if he's not playing advantage?
That's where the OP was wrong. He was right to continue play but wrong to consider it as "advantage"Brian, the OP states in the first post, he (or she) was "about to give the big arms and shout advantage".
This starts to feel quite grey, along with the fact that the OP is writing to analyse this...
Your point is interesting. When does advantage start? What is this time between the incident and the signal of advantage, even though the referee is thinking "advantage"? Is there an "offence" "active" during this time? I think there is. I think you can go back to the offside and not penalise the handball... and sell it... it's all about timing though...
Unfortunately, I think you have let down the team in possession here. You were thinking advantage but hadn't signalled, so for the player about to pick up the ball, they are in the dark. Penalising the player seems incredibly harsh in this case.