What do we think about these 2 tackles? RC, YC or foul?
I seeSurprisingly, neither were given RCs
Here is the FIFA famous list of considerations. I'm not totally comfortable with it as it basically like another string of laws and easily confused with similar things from the LotG - but it is in use - and it is a great study aidFIFA had (and I think still in use) a list of considerations for 'scaling' tackles. Using those will keep the first one on yellow and second one to red. That is also in line with 'what football expects'.
I can see why the 'i got the ball ref' mistake can be made on the first one.
I can also see how you can miss the second one having a narrow focus on where the ball is being played.
I’d hazard a guess that this is partly because the first challenge is an exception rather than the rule.There's an annoying expectation in football that any '2 footed challenge' MUST be a red card. Makes our jobs that much harder
He only lands on the ground at the point he makes contact with the ball - at this point both feet are completely off the floor:I saw the first one in real time and yellow is right here. Had he made contact with the Reading player then he’s gone. Equally had been off the floor with both feet he’s be in the dressing room
It’s the fact that he’s sliding along the ground that tips the scale the other way for me. There’s friction here and a natural deceleration because of it.
Off the ground he’s only going to slow down/stop when he meets resistance from the floor or the opponent. For me that’s where the endangering element comes into play - full body weight going through the legs increases/magnifies the force on contact with another surface.
Oh that makes it ok then does it?I think it is almost certainly a complete accident.
There's an annoying expectation in football that any '2 footed challenge' MUST be a red card. Makes our jobs that much harder
The definition of SFP requires a lunge to use excessive force. The force used here is quite low. Even at full speed the intensity and velocity of the challenge is pretty tame and he appears to be in control, demonstrated by the fact he is able to avoid a collision with the player.Don't get me wrong. I'm probably not gonna dismiss a player committing either tackle on a Sunday morning
But the pro game is different and I'd expect (not necessarily agree with) a dismissal for both, without referring to the unnecessary FIFA 'clarifications'
Strange to hear Observers condone a 'lunge with one or both feet' when the culprit had clearly granted himself permission to 'take-off'
Just a very straight forward SFP at that level. Safety of the opponent was endangered, regardless of the outcome
I can see where he is coming from. SFP doesn't necessarily have to be using excessive force as long as it endangers the safety of an opponent. For me this one doesn't but it is close. I can see why one might think it does.The definition of SFP requires a lunge to use excessive force. The force used here is quite low. Even at full speed the intensity and velocity of the challenge is pretty tame and he appears to be in control, demonstrated by the fact he is able to avoid a collision with the player.
I'm in the caution camp. Fits into reckless definition quite nicely.
So he's on the ground by the time he reaches the ball or the opponent? That sounds like textbook mitigation to go with only a yellow to me.He only lands on the ground at the point he makes contact with the ball - at this point both feet are completely off the floor:
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It's 100% a red.
Yeh, I mean, should I chose to dismiss a player for leaving the ground with two feet, I don't expect an Observer to tell me I'm wrong to for doing so.I can see where he is coming from. SFP doesn't necessarily have to be using excessive force as long as it endangers the safety of an opponent. For me this one doesn't but it is close. I can see why one might think it does.