The owner also owns Olympiakos and if you know anything about Greek football and how clubs push back on officials then this would be right up his alley.
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The owner also owns Olympiakos and if you know anything about Greek football and how clubs push back on officials then this would be right up his alley.
bester
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That's my take as well, the tweet was put out straight after the game. That isn't the sort of thing a junior social media admin puts out, it has almost certainly come right from the very top of the club. Makes me think it was prepared in advance in case any decisions went against them.
Back to the decisions themselves, the first penalty is one of them that if AT gives it it’s probably not overturned but it’s definitely not enough for VAR to give it if not. The second one if simply not a penalty for me, he was actively pulling the arm back in behind his back and was struck at very close range,
When they come out and make a statement like that saying they were denied 3 clear penalties they lose credibility over the one that perhaps was a penalty…
When they come out and make a statement like that saying they were denied 3 clear penalties they lose credibility over the one that perhaps was a penalty…
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It probably didn't help matters that it was the same defender, Ashley Young, involved in all three penalty decisions. The first one would have been soft at best, I did expect the handling to be refereed, not because I thought it was handling rather than I've seen them given many times this season. The last one is probably a penalty, but I'm still not sure it was enough for VAR to get involved.
Here's my problem with the last one. Taylor makes the "ball" signal. So if he's saying Young played the ball and therefore no foul but the video shows that clearly isn't the case and that he's kicked the attackers foot into the ball then we have a clear error. If that's not enough of an error then what is?
Fair point, we don't know what was said on the comms though. Pretty sure we will find out as they will have to share the audio for this one, although perhaps not in the next show.
My guess would be that even though he didn't win the ball, the contact was normal football contact and didn't actually bring the forward down. They are being very consistent at the moment in letting a lot of physical contact go, and using the "contact with consequence" mantra.
Russell Jones
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Errrr ... no, just no
deusex
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Errrr ... no, just no
Stuart, is that you?
Russell Jones
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It's entirely possible that the one penalty incident (where Antony Taylor incorrectly felt that the ball had been played) might result in that being viewed as a VAR error. It certainly wouldn't be the first this season and, because VARs are fallible human beings, will not be the last. On the other hand, I'd expect the VAR to be backed / supporting for not getting involved in the other two incidents ... neither of these were (IMO) a clear and obvious error from the referee.
deusex
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For the first one, what mitigating factors would make you think it might not be a penalty?
All l I see is a player getting kicked, with force, in his foot.
If he wasn’t a Luton fan I’d have expected it to come out in the media by now surely? As then the statement would be directly libellous which would be an even bigger issue for Forrest.
"Yes, we know he's a Luton fan and we condemn you for pointing that out"
I always cite Halsey's story that as a QPR fan he'd reffed them against Millwall and had to give Millwall two penalties, and asked never to ref QPR again.
It is remarkable how few of the top refs support the top teams!
Yes and no, obviously it’s a bigger pool of people who are fans but the English pyramid is deep and it’s not crazy to think you could find 100 people where the biggest clubs only have a few fans.
He’s a Luton fan but I’d say the tweet is borderline libellous. It’s accusing him of bias and corruption, it damages his reputation and specifically relates to his current employment.
It’s also laughable, I’ve reffed teams in the league I used to play in, teams competing with my old team for titles or relegation, and I couldn’t give a **** who wins. I’ve never had a contentious moments in these games and these players all know me from when I played. If I can manage it then a pro on 100k a year can.
It’s also laughable, I’ve reffed teams in the league I used to play in, teams competing with my old team for titles or relegation, and I couldn’t give a **** who wins. I’ve never had a contentious moments in these games and these players all know me from when I played. If I can manage it then a pro on 100k a year can.
FinalWhistle
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Hypothetically assuming that the accusations are right, is it still inappropriate to make them in public? I have a feeling it might be and perhaps should only be made through the official channel.
btw, I have no opinion on them one way or the other as I didn't see the incidents, just curious.