Has anyone got a clip as I haven't seen this incident (I have seen a still) but not the actual clip.
My questions, was the ball in play when the hair pull happened?
If it was then of course the outcome is Def DFK and red card. If not, then it's a red card and CK restart.
Could this be jotted down to a VAR protocol issue, in that play had restarted after the offence had happened?
I know the protocol allows for that to happen, but the goal would still stand so perhaps it was an error in VAR application, or otherwise. I can't see how this is not viewed as VC just based on the stills.
And helpfully the clip finishes with AT in shot seemingly staring directly at it...
You are assuming that PGMOL operate the VAR protocol the same as other countries. I suspect they are told they have to quickly check and that is what Mike Dean is alluding to. As I've said many times before, I find it difficult to blame EPL referees for the failures of VAR because they are given constantly changing messaging from their (weak) management.while a glimmer of transparency is nice, I’m really underwhelmed by so much of what he wrote. Nothing in that helps a reader understand how the VAR process is supposed to work. Or even suggests he really understands it. What “few seconds”? The Whole system is designed so that the VAR can have play delayed to get an adequate look. And the way he writes that he should have let Taylor look for himself totally feeds the fan concept that the VAR can just let the ref take a look, as opposed to anything than links what he should have done to actual VAR protocols. If this is the level of his column, I don’t think it is going to do anything to educate fans on how this process is supposed to work. Good luck Webb.
So is Mike Dean going to throw other referees under the bus this season in this column? Or is he only going to talk about situations in games he does?
Given how poor PGMOL VAR usage is compared to just about where else in the world, that could be true. But if VARs are being told they only have 10 seconds to decide if something is VC, it sure would have been nice for him to say that rather than a cryptic explanation (excuse?) about only a few seconds.You are assuming that PGMOL operate the VAR protocol the same as other countries. I suspect they are told they have to quickly check and that is what Mike Dean is alluding to. As I've said many times before, I find it difficult to blame EPL referees for the failures of VAR because they are given constantly changing messaging from their (weak) management.
It's a defensive free kick which is outside remit of VAR.For me that article is just to give excuses and given he knows his excuse does stand he is also saying I should have... Yeah ok, you didn't consider it a VC, do you consider it a foul at all (given everyone else considers it VC)? It's a clear pull. Ball in or out of play is not a question as it is factual. If it is a clear foul then it is a penalty and also must be reviewed.
The problem with PGMOL is that everyone in it is not on the same page let alone being on the same page with the rest of the world.
Yeap. My bad. Got the PA's mixed up.It's a defensive free kick which is outside remit of VAR.
Even in sports considered violent in nature like boxing, kick boxing, UFC etc hair pulling is outlawed. That just goes a long way in terms of determining if it's considered a violent act.“I didn’t deem it a violent act”. That’s enough internet for today. Goodnight.
Like to see a boxer pull hair with those gloves on but an excellent analogy, none the less.Even in sports considered violent in nature like boxing, kick boxing, UFC etc hair pulling is outlawed. That just goes a long way in terms of determining if it's considered a violent act.
Made the same mistake myself earlier in the threadYeap. My bad. Got the PA's mixed up.
Spot on.Even in sports considered violent in nature like boxing, kick boxing, UFC etc hair pulling is outlawed. That just goes a long way in terms of determining if it's considered a violent act.