How does that work then one team has the advantage by having a CAR there. Unless you are dismissing the CAR I can't see how you can possibly operate with 1.
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Its possible. I have been in a position before where a club have been unable to provide. You take 1 side and get help from the other. Just adapting your positioning accordingly.
Remember where I am we dont use CARs for offsides so its only for in and outs so no one really loses out as you're working for both teams.
CapnBloodbeard
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I come from an area where we didn't use CAR's at all - and sometimes we'd have one NAR, sometimes 2, sometimes none.
How do you figure one team has an advantage? I figure an incorrect decision is just as likely to go either way. Even for offside.
For those without offside, a CAR offers very little actual impact.
If a sub is acting as CAR then they can certainly be booked for dissent. Some interesting advice from others that if he's been booked for dissent, then it might be time to remove him as AR - and if the league requires a CAR then report the fact that no suitable CAR has been provided.
You are far more likely to call someone offside if you have a AR CAR or not with his flag up then if you are trying to somehow work it out for yourself. Not all CAR are useless fair few of them are pretty decent I find. Personally if I'm not sure on an offside and I don't have one I will allow play to continue, if the CAR flags majority of time I will go with them. In my eyes it's a clear advantage and I would rather have 2 or 0.
This is good thank you - No I didn't send him away (at the time I thought I did enough), it was on reflection I thought it was worth more. So inline with the my actions at the time, it's best left as it is. However sharing it with the league is excellent advice, I'm adjusting to youth football from open age and finding subtle differences with game management giving me food for thought, but yes a heads up to the league and a helping hand to next weeks ref makes good sense. Cheers
I agree with you here. On the odd occasions where one team has been unable to supply a CAR, I've made it very clear to the manager and/or captain and/or centre backs that because of their failure to provide an assistant, I will not be giving an offside decision up their end unless I'm 100% sure. I've never had any complaints with that approach, and most teams have been smart enough to avoid trying to play the offside trap as a result.
CapnBloodbeard
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He's a sub. He's committing dissent. Why aren't you carding him?
The argument is that there's a point where you'd remove him as AR and a point further down the road where you'd card him for dissent. It does seem strange to me to reach the "dissent" point before you reach the "he's not acting like part of my team" point.
But he isn't "part of your team", that is massively over egging the role of a CAR. He's a substitute who has been effectively forced to stand on the touchline holding a flag. Trust me, I went through a spell as a player when I couldn't get in the starting 11 and I had that week in week out. I hated it, and I was a qualified referee at the time, so you can imagine how much players who aren't referees hate it.
At the end of the day he is a substitute, nothing more nothing less. So if you are removing the flag for an act of dissent he really needs to also be cautioned for it.
Peter Grove
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Except that in this case, unless I've misread the posts, the caution was issued without removing the flag. The CAR voluntarily gave up the flag, apparently at some later point (as I understand it).
one
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Interesting scenario. I also don't see how you can card a CAR. Once you have accepted him as your AR (all be it a Club AR) he is more as part of your team than part of the other team. But I guess technically you can card him because he is in the teamsheet.
I agree with others that it should have never come to carding him and he should have been removed of his AR duties before that.
I agree with others that it should have never come to carding him and he should have been removed of his AR duties before that.
CapnBloodbeard
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There's that - but we've passed that point already (and of course, sometimes the first comment may warrant a card)
CAR is still a named sub. Just means he gets stuck with some extra responsibilities. Nothing in the laws to say that a member of your team can't also be a player.
If first comment is that bad caution and take flag at same time?
santa sangria
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Sounds like you had an observer for a game where nothing happened
santa sangria
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I had an observer tonight, I just posted about it if you want the other extreme (eventful)
Padfoot
The Persecuted One
I may, or may not, know that observer rather well! 
Surprised there was only 1 development point given the comment about you not recognising incorrectly taken throw ins, that would have been worth putting in there. But given that the comment didn't give any specific timed examples or any guidance as to what aspect was incorrect........
Surprised there was only 1 development point given the comment about you not recognising incorrectly taken throw ins, that would have been worth putting in there. But given that the comment didn't give any specific timed examples or any guidance as to what aspect was incorrect........