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Saw a clip online that I can now no longer find, but Gavin Ward has somehow missed a rather obvious SFP. Probably the shocker of the weekend….including the second Utd goal.

Will try and find a link

Found it on another forum. Hopefully this isn’t against any rules…

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deusex said:
I was quite underwhelmed.
I was expecting a horror tackle.
Orange challenge at worst.
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Agree. It’s a bad one, but lack of force for me means it’s not a horrendously bad call to make it yellow, but a red also wouldn’t be wrong.
If VAR was in operation, that’s a nailed on referees call.
 
RefereeX said:
Agree. It’s a bad one, but lack of force for me means it’s not a horrendously bad call to make it yellow, but a red also wouldn’t be wrong.
If VAR was in operation, that’s a nailed on referees call.
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Lack of force? How much force would you like to see?
 
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Lack of force? How much force would you like to see?
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It’s not what I’d call a lunge. It’s a badly misjudged placement of his foot into the tackle. It’s nasty, and I’m not saying it isn’t, but I don’t think it’s a nailed on red, and like I say, with VAR, i find it hard to believe that would be overturned. For these reasons, I don’t think it’s an egregious error from Gavin Ward, despite the fact you’d probably rather see a red on balance.

Unless of course we want to be at a point where any stud contact above the boot becomes a red card, but then MLS’s red card would have been spot on also.
 
RefereeX said:
It’s not what I’d call a lunge. It’s a badly misjudged placement of his foot into the tackle. It’s nasty, and I’m not saying it isn’t, but I don’t think it’s a nailed on red, and like I say, with VAR, i find it hard to believe that would be overturned. For these reasons, I don’t think it’s an egregious error from Gavin Ward, despite the fact you’d probably rather see a red on balance.

Unless of course we want to be at a point where any stud contact above the boot becomes a red card, but then MLS’s red card would have been spot on also.
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We’ll have to agree to disagree on that one. This is an awful lot different to the MLS one imo.

I’ve said it many times; PGMOL officials are woeful at determining SFP. And this is another example to add to that list.
 
This is a mistimed tackle with exactly the amount of force you would expect.
I'm not saying a red is wrong but this is not excessive force.
 
Eeesh, not a great challenge. Can understand why a YC seeing that live, once, from that angle… but they doesn’t get better on repeat does it? Ref makes the call instantly and I back that, everyone knows what the decision is… but if you could wish for an extra second or two of thinking time.
 
Red card is understandable, and probably the preferred outcome in my opinion.
It's not necessarily excessive force BUT imo he gets it wrong and in doing endangers the safety of the opponent.
That said, a yellow card can be supported!
 
Red card is understandable, and probably the preferred outcome in my opinion.
It's not necessarily excessive force BUT imo he gets it wrong and in doing endangers the safety of the opponent.
That said, a yellow card can be supported!
 
Endangering the opponent's safety IMO:
- head-on collision, increasing the overall force in the challenge
- force is perpendicular to the opponent's leg, increasing risk of injury (I think the Millwall player's lucky his studs didn't get caught in the ground)
- significant contact with studs (unlike the glancing contact in the MLS incident) well above the ankle
 
We’ve all been at CORE, CPD or RA meetings where they show clips and there’s always one where a player takes a heavy touch then ****ing nails his opponent, and you can see it coming before he’s even started to make the challenge… this is one of those.
 
It should have been a red card, but can understand why it was missed, it looks a lot worse slowed down than real time.
 
deusex said:
You been watching this season?
This is (rightly or wrongly) NEVER getting a VAR overturn.
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Gosh deusex,

I'm in camp of:

Clear Red card
VAR should recommend review for C & O
The KMI panel would unanimously support Red
Any appeal would be dismissed

I guess shows how subjective football is......
 
Huge error for me.

The offending player's reaction (hand up immediately in apology) should confirm to the ref that it's a "bad one" and a red card is required.

As other's have said, this is one of those videos shown at CPD events and everyone says red card
 
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