Because IMO that's effectively coaching, and unfair to the attacking team.Ok..lets spin around a bit....if the GK doesn't ask, do you still communicate whether it's ok to pick it up or not?
If not..why not?
I think it's a good comparison - both are technical infringements with no direct impact upon an opponent (as opposed to trying to tell a player not to commit a foul).Very different. Badly chosen example.
If players ask, just tell them. I'm not saying anything about whether or not he can pick it up unless requested to do so. It's usually some bizarre deflection or tackle anyway where a pick up is fine.
Ok..lets spin around a bit....if the GK doesn't ask, do you still communicate whether it's ok to pick it up or not?
If not..why not?
Everyone - please have a look at Q1 on this week's you are the ref
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/nov/13/you-are-the-ref-no348-quique-sanchez-flores
Not so much a comms question - but - related to this discussion
For the record - right or wrong - I'm allowing the GK to do this - I think
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"Not yet"never had it, but imagine if a player that was standing in an offside position with a team mate in posession asked " ref, am i offside ?"
would we answer that ? thats presuming we are in a relevant position to make that call of course
Going to throw this one out there.... whilst on the face it the defender is clearly intending to pass the ball to a team mate (not the keeper) and the keeper deliberately intercepts the pass with a shout of mine/leave/keeps etc, could this be classed as a case of attempting to circumvent the back pass law?
No, not normally and that is the point you seem to have missed.
If a player asks the question, I will answer it - they are clearly unsure and seeking clarity before potentially committing an infringement. Giving a response is mothered ore a helpful and proactive piece of player management and all the participants will accept and acknowledge it as such.
If you don't answer in the question scenario and then penalise you risk control as players perceive you as a bit of a jobsworth.
If the player doesn't ask then they clearly already have an answer in their head as to whether it was a deliberate kick to them or not and will act accordingly. If their judgement differs from yours so be it, but at least players will not consider the offence as a result of ignorance/arrogance on your part.
It's lazy coaching, lazy playing and encouraged by refs who indulge them in it.
Can't be a 'back pass', he's kicked the ball forwards ..... . Every player knows thatEveryone - please have a look at Q1 on this week's you are the ref
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/nov/13/you-are-the-ref-no348-quique-sanchez-flores
Not so much a comms question - but - related to this discussion
For the record - right or wrong - I'm allowing the GK to do this - I think
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Well aware of what the law states thanks I think we will agree to disagree on this one...There will be people who agree with you but not I.
Law 12 clearly says that an indirect free kick must be awarded if the goalkeeper handles the ball which has been "deliberately kicked to him by a team mate".
GK is quite within his rights to make that call to intercept it if he wants.
Well aware of what the law states thanks I think we will agree to disagree on this one...
If that is legal, it opens up a whole can of ugly worms and why are teams not trying it? Regularly see teams play the ball across the defence in and out of the area, never once seen a keeper "intercept" a pass intended for an outfield team mate by deliberately handling it since the introduction of the pass back law.....
Or ... it's players and referees working together to achieve a mutually satisfying game of football .. rather than taking up entrenched adversarial positions as some would prefer .
So, @Padfoot purely out of interest. Are you also an opponent of a) the stepped approach .. 'coaching' players to avoid them re-offending and b) warning players of either / both sides about holding etc in advance of a corner being taken .. 'coaching' to avoid an offence being committed?
Thanks for clarifying. As I suspected, we have a full hat trick of disagreements . Personally, I think there is a very fine line between 'warning about their behaviour' to avoid them offending and 'coaching' to avoid them offending .. but I'm reassured to see that the majority of those commenting on here fall firmly in a similar camp to me. And I'm guessing I've now taken this thread far enough 'off topic'A) the stepped approach has a place, but it is far too rigidly applied by a lot of young referees who believe that you have to follow it before going to the cards. Also, the further up the pyramid you go the more effective it becomes....generally on a typical Sunday league it is largely a waste of time.
B) I don't warn players about holding before a cnr kick is taken in terms of a general warning....however if we are waiting for the kick and I see too much grabbing shoving etc I will blow the whistle and warn the players about their conduct.....that isn't coaching...that is a warning about their behaviour.....
Well aware of what the law states thanks I think we will agree to disagree on this one...
If that is legal, it opens up a whole can of ugly worms and why are teams not trying it? Regularly see teams play the ball across the defence in and out of the area, never once seen a keeper "intercept" a pass intended for an outfield team mate by deliberately handling it since the introduction of the pass back law.....