Minor Law changes Query

[RefDylberto]

In the law changes of a drop ball (8.2....I think ) when there is a drop ball inside the box to the defending team, is it presumed that the goal keeper cannot pick it up as they are already in possession? Or are they allowed and I Interprate it incorrectly?

 

[RefereeX]

Hi. Nothing has changed with this law in regards to your query in theory. The goalkeeper can pick the ball up as soon as it has hit the ground (and is therefore in play)

Although an interesting one… who’s gonna dropping the ball to the goalkeeper and starting the keeper’s 8 count while they’re still pegging it up the field? Then trying to shout 5 while still out of breath and trying to get in to position…

 

[JamesL]

Although an interesting one… who’s gonna dropping the ball to the goalkeeper and starting the keeper’s 8 count while they’re still pegging it up the field? Then trying to shout 5 while still out of breath and trying to get in to position…

Don't be daft this is the only time GKs don't hold the ball for more than 6s currently. Too big an opportunity...

 

[RefDylberto]

In the law changes of a drop ball (8.2....I think ) when there is a drop ball inside the box to the defending team, is it presumed that the goal keeper cannot pick it up as they are already in possession? Or are they allowed and I Interprate it incorrectly?

 

[RefDylberto]

In the law changes of a drop ball (8.2....I think ) when there is a drop ball inside the box to the defending team, is it presumed that the goal keeper cannot pick it up as they are already in possession? Or are they allowed and I Interprate it incorrectly?

Hi. Nothing has changed with this law in regards to your query in theory. The goalkeeper can pick the ball up as soon as it has hit the ground (and is therefore in play)

Although an interesting one… who’s gonna dropping the ball to the goalkeeper and starting the keeper’s 8 count while they’re still pegging it up the field? Then trying to shout 5 while still out of breath and trying to get in to position…

I can picture myself busting a lung......

 

[ChasObserverRefDeveloper]

Hi. Nothing has changed with this law in regards to your query in theory. The goalkeeper can pick the ball up as soon as it has hit the ground (and is therefore in play)

Although an interesting one… who’s gonna dropping the ball to the goalkeeper and starting the keeper’s 8 count while they’re still pegging it up the field? Then trying to shout 5 while still out of breath and trying to get in to position…

Proactive refereeing: "Keeper, I'm going to drop the ball to you. When I get to the halfway line, release it"

 

[Russell Jones]

Hi. Nothing has changed with this law in regards to your query in theory. The goalkeeper can pick the ball up as soon as it has hit the ground (and is therefore in play)

Although an interesting one… who’s gonna dropping the ball to the goalkeeper and starting the keeper’s 8 count while they’re still pegging it up the field? Then trying to shout 5 while still out of breath and trying to get in to position…

As a (mildly) serious point, I do think that counting while changing position will end up looking less than great. We’ve seen two helpful recent changes to help refs be more athletic (single arm advantage and IFK signal now dropped earlier) … this law introduction will work in the opposite direction

 

[one]

Should the ARs be doing the count (when available) and then flag at zero?

 

[RefereeX]

Should the ARs be doing the count (when available) and then flag at zero?

It won't happen. People won't want ARs drawing attention to themselves in that way, and referees will want to be the ones deciding when the count starts. (Admittedly the latter could be instructed pre match)

Not saying it is or isn't a good idea, but it'll never happen

 

[socal lurker]

And the R visibly counting is part of the plan to make it get enforced—it gives the GK (and fans) a visible warning, and pretty much boxes the R in when he gets to the end of the count. That the count is going to start more than 3 seconds after the GK has the ball in some cases because the R is moving is no big deal. The real goal here isn’t to get to 8.0 seconds, but to get away from 20-30 seconds. From the games I’ve seen, it is doing exactly that—GKs are generally looking for the first good release rather than seeing how long they can hold the ball. (At the CWC game I went to, I never saw a GK hi,d the ball long enough for the R to start the visible count.)

 

[RefJef]

What I’ve always done is manoeuvred myself into position (typically, but not always, on or around the halfway line) and only then started to think about the keepers six seconds. With the law change, I’ll be doing the same - I’ll only start counting 8 seconds from when I’m ready. I’ll apply this consistently throughout the game, won’t matter whether it’s the first minute or ninety-first minute, by the time I’ve got myself sorted, I would expect the keeper to have got himself sorted, and be ready to release within 8 seconds

 

[socal lurker]

What I’ve always done is manoeuvred myself into position (typically, but not always, on or around the halfway line) and only then started to think about the keepers six seconds. With the law change, I’ll be doing the same - I’ll only start counting 8 seconds from when I’m ready. I’ll apply this consistently throughout the game, won’t matter whether it’s the first minute or ninety-first minute, by the time I’ve got myself sorted, I would expect the keeper to have got himself sorted, and be ready to release within 8 seconds

Might want to rethink part of that. If it is going to take you 3-5 seconds to get in position, that would be the time to start the visible 5 second count rather than the beginning of the 8 second count.

 

[one]

Should the 8 second count be extended to throw ins?

 

[one]

Might want to rethink part of that. If it is going to take you 3-5 seconds to get in position, that would be the time to start the visible 5 second count rather than the beginning of the 8 second count.

Also need to watch out for and mitigate obvious inconsistencies. If already in position compared to if it takes 5 seconds to get into position, the difference could become very obvious .

 

[socal lurker]

Should the 8 second count be extended to throw ins?

One FIFA R at the CWC or Gold Cup did the countdown signal on a GK. I don’t think we should go to 8 seconds on restarts, but the more I think about it, I kinda like the idea of using the signal as an alternative to calling “let’s go” as a warning. It could be used just as clarity that you’re about to get cautioned.

 

[Russell Jones]

The below is from an IFAB Facebook post today. It sheds some light on their official guidance as to how to incorporate the actions of opponents into the mix and how / when the count should be started in that context.

It is also in line with the practical implementation guidance given to PGMOL officials at their annual conference

 

[bester]

Creative use of i.e.

 

[Runner Ref]

The below is from an IFAB Facebook post today. It sheds some light on their official guidance as to how to incorporate the actions of opponents into the mix and how / when the count should be started in that context.

It is also in line with the practical implementation guidance given to PGMOL officials at their annual conference
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I agree with large parts of that, but then it mentions the goalkeeper having clear possession and a definition of that. If that’s how they want it done, they need to put that into law, rather than ‘guidance’.

Guidance is when you start to get issues and inconsistencies.

 

[Russell Jones]

I agree with large parts of that, but then it mentions the goalkeeper having clear possession and a definition of that. If that’s how they want it done, they need to put that into law, rather than ‘guidance’.

Guidance is when you start to get issues and inconsistencies.

I agree. Whilst I think what they’ve said above is eminently pragmatic and sensible, it’s a crying shame it wasn’t included in Law from the get go, rather than them simply repeating the definition of GK control which can easily lead to a much harsher implementation.

 

[socal lurker]

It all seems to me to be readily inferred.