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ChasObserverRefDeveloper
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Goal kick.
Ball is in play once it hits the ground but a second player would have to play the ball to make the goal valid.
This. Providing the red player was 4m away when the ball touched the floor
Agree, one of the more sensible law changes that IFAB came up with.
one
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This, with a small correction. Any touch by another player such as a deflection (in opposed to play the ball) counts to make it a valid goal.
socal lurker
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I recall seeing this happen in a professional game, where the player receiving the drop ball seemed totally unaware that the opponent could come in and get tthe ball after it was dropped. Alas, no clue how to find it.
ChasObserverRefDeveloper
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So, would you allow a goal to stand if the keeper got a touch on it?Surely spirit of the game disallow the goal if the goalkeeper got a touch after trying to save it?
ChasObserverRefDeveloper
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And if the scenario was following an indirect free kick for the attacking team?So, would you allow a goal to stand if the keeper got a touch on it?
ChasObserverRefDeveloper
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I'm sure the winky told the story but we have lots of newer officials on here, so good to finish with the right answer
bester
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Depends whether the referee signalled it was an IDFK or not.
The Q&A above quoting 'spirit of the law' is why I played devil's advocate with my question in this thread
one
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In the case of IFK, spirit of the game is needed because a referee mistake misled the keeper. In fact the IFK procedure was not followed, albeit by the referee.
In the case of a dropped ball, there is not need to apply spirit of the game, the dropped ball itself is the signal the keeper needs to know his touch legitimises the goal. I can't think of any scenario where players not knowing the law triggers a 'spririt of the law' application.
In the case of a dropped ball, there is not need to apply spirit of the game, the dropped ball itself is the signal the keeper needs to know his touch legitimises the goal. I can't think of any scenario where players not knowing the law triggers a 'spririt of the law' application.
RefJef
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My biggest officiating blunder, ever, in not quite my biggest ever game, but my third biggest. 18 months on, I am perhaps ready to disclose and discuss….
August 24, I had been proudly selected to do the line in the first two rounds of the FA cup, when I received notification of an appointment to run the line in the FA vase. Ref was a Level 4 (fairly newly minted, I think) other assistant a Level 5 and me a lowly level 6.
A glorious sunny Saturday afternoon and twenty minutes in the game was going well, no great dramas, when a clash of heads necessitated a stoppage and subsequent drop ball for the defending side about 10 yards outside the box, on the defending sides left hand side, so about as far away from me as junior AR on the other side of the pitch. Ref busy organising the drop ball, other AR also in line with the ball about 10 yards in from the touch line. All defending players bar the keeper are further up the pitch, and one attacker loitering in the vicinity. From where I stand, looks like keeper will collect the ball, and hoof it up the pitch …
But no. Ball is dropped, about a metre or so from the keeper who immediately shuffles back into his box, attacker collects the ball, “ah, he’s going to pass it back to the keeper” thinks I (and all but one of the thousand people in the ground). But no …
The one who thought differently was the attacker, who takes a couple of touches (“he’s just composing himself before passing it back to the keeper “ we collectively think) before calmly lofting the ball (deliberately) over the keeper and into the net.
Cue celebrations from the attacker, and howls of consternation of unsporting play from the defending side. Mass con nearly ensures, but the man in the middle manages the situation well. A card for dissent for the defending team captain, who had been complaining (with some justification) of unsporting behaviour, and a few minutes later the game restarts with the kick off, and I carry on in my merry way, beetling up and down the far touchline.
It was about five minutes later when I had my “oh sh&t” moment. “No one else touched that ball before it went in” thinks I. “ That goal should have been disallowed “. With gritted teeth I continue my lonely furrow, until the ref blows for half time. As the three of us traipse of the pitch together we have to break up fracas between players and benches, and make it to the sanctuary of our changing room.
It is then that I drop my bombshell. “Did the keeper touch the ball before it went in?” I ask. “No” reply both my fellow officials. “Then we shouldn’t have allowed the goal” I say. “From a drop ball, the ball must touch another player before a goal is scored”
“Does it?” asks one. “Are you sure” the other.
“Yes” I reply, with heavy heart.
My oppo whips out his phone, and checks IFAB and confirms I was right. The ref puts his head in his hands.
The break ends, we return to the field, a somewhat subdued second 45 minutes end. No one else has mentioned our blunder, no one else, but us, seems to know the laws. But we know.
The next morning I received a text from the ref, to say he was reporting himself, and what happened, to the FA. A few weeks later the game was ordered to be replayed, needless to say I was not invited to officiate (and this season, my inbox has been noticeably empty of FA cup or vase appointments)
Over a year on, I still replay the incident in my head and can’t fathom why I didn’t realise sooner (before the restart - I had time) and rush on and let the ref know. I still feel bad that I let down my man in the middle.
Now, whenever I do a drop ball, no matter where on the pitch, or standard of player I always say “you can do what you want, except you can’t score direct”, as much as a reminder for me as for the benefit of the player.
If you are still here at the end of this lengthy thread, thank you for letting me confess my biggest officiating sin, and learn from us, the terrible trio who had such a howler that day, and don’t make our mistake.
August 24, I had been proudly selected to do the line in the first two rounds of the FA cup, when I received notification of an appointment to run the line in the FA vase. Ref was a Level 4 (fairly newly minted, I think) other assistant a Level 5 and me a lowly level 6.
A glorious sunny Saturday afternoon and twenty minutes in the game was going well, no great dramas, when a clash of heads necessitated a stoppage and subsequent drop ball for the defending side about 10 yards outside the box, on the defending sides left hand side, so about as far away from me as junior AR on the other side of the pitch. Ref busy organising the drop ball, other AR also in line with the ball about 10 yards in from the touch line. All defending players bar the keeper are further up the pitch, and one attacker loitering in the vicinity. From where I stand, looks like keeper will collect the ball, and hoof it up the pitch …
But no. Ball is dropped, about a metre or so from the keeper who immediately shuffles back into his box, attacker collects the ball, “ah, he’s going to pass it back to the keeper” thinks I (and all but one of the thousand people in the ground). But no …
The one who thought differently was the attacker, who takes a couple of touches (“he’s just composing himself before passing it back to the keeper “ we collectively think) before calmly lofting the ball (deliberately) over the keeper and into the net.
Cue celebrations from the attacker, and howls of consternation of unsporting play from the defending side. Mass con nearly ensures, but the man in the middle manages the situation well. A card for dissent for the defending team captain, who had been complaining (with some justification) of unsporting behaviour, and a few minutes later the game restarts with the kick off, and I carry on in my merry way, beetling up and down the far touchline.
It was about five minutes later when I had my “oh sh&t” moment. “No one else touched that ball before it went in” thinks I. “ That goal should have been disallowed “. With gritted teeth I continue my lonely furrow, until the ref blows for half time. As the three of us traipse of the pitch together we have to break up fracas between players and benches, and make it to the sanctuary of our changing room.
It is then that I drop my bombshell. “Did the keeper touch the ball before it went in?” I ask. “No” reply both my fellow officials. “Then we shouldn’t have allowed the goal” I say. “From a drop ball, the ball must touch another player before a goal is scored”
“Does it?” asks one. “Are you sure” the other.
“Yes” I reply, with heavy heart.
My oppo whips out his phone, and checks IFAB and confirms I was right. The ref puts his head in his hands.
The break ends, we return to the field, a somewhat subdued second 45 minutes end. No one else has mentioned our blunder, no one else, but us, seems to know the laws. But we know.
The next morning I received a text from the ref, to say he was reporting himself, and what happened, to the FA. A few weeks later the game was ordered to be replayed, needless to say I was not invited to officiate (and this season, my inbox has been noticeably empty of FA cup or vase appointments)
Over a year on, I still replay the incident in my head and can’t fathom why I didn’t realise sooner (before the restart - I had time) and rush on and let the ref know. I still feel bad that I let down my man in the middle.
Now, whenever I do a drop ball, no matter where on the pitch, or standard of player I always say “you can do what you want, except you can’t score direct”, as much as a reminder for me as for the benefit of the player.
If you are still here at the end of this lengthy thread, thank you for letting me confess my biggest officiating sin, and learn from us, the terrible trio who had such a howler that day, and don’t make our mistake.
Thanks for sharing @RefJef and if indeed the referee reported themself then absolute Kudos to him for fronting up to that.
Hopefully the FA appointments will roll around again next season. Best wishes for the rest of this.
This is the new level of story telling I want from every situation retelling from now on. My condolences to you on the contents, but the execution was flawless
one
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After reserving half of my Saturday afternoon to read the drama called "My biggest officiating blunder" by author "RefJef" and watch the Ashes at the same time, I realised we have not covered the complete answer to OP.
The OP does not say which goal the score is in, so the restart could possibly be a corner kick.
The OP does not say which goal the score is in, so the restart could possibly be a corner kick.
There have been Referees who have either reported themselves or reported by others for incorrect applications of Law which has had a negative impact on the outcome, whereby the game has been replayed as well as them having a few weeks off so to speak. They have been doing ok since, so should only be a blip with appointments.