PAL v LEE
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ladbroke8745
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Probably but I also dont see how that should be a factor.
If an offence is worthy of a card, give the card.
His judgement of the situation was badly wrong. I think he was looking for a cheap leeds yellow after a big ask for a different 2nd yellow moments before (which he got right).
Really good looking young ref, I'm sure he'll learn
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I think it was Sarr who helped him out first and foremost
betterlatethannever
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Thought process was probably:
- 'Ahh, should have played advantage - I'll give a yellow so I can say I had to stop play for that and appease the Palace players'
- 'Ahh ********'
- 'Ahh, should have played advantage - I'll give a yellow so I can say I had to stop play for that and appease the Palace players'
- 'Ahh ********'
I've not yet had it where I've forgotten that I'd cautioned a player, but I did have an equally concerning almost opposite situation a couple of years ago.
I was being observed on a game and I cautioned a player with 2 minutes to go. When I went to record it (after showing the caution) I noticed that I already had that number down. I was bang in the centre of the pitch, not near either AR, and I couldn't remember cautioning him previously... nobody seemed to be expecting a second yellow and everyone was ready to crack on.
I wanted to confirm with my senior AR that I hadn't cautioned him previously, but in that moment of panic I thought 'that's going to look sh*t to the observer', so I risked it and continued. (In hindsight I could have made up any other excuse for going over to the AR).
Thankfully, post match it transpired that I had recorded the same number for the opposition team on the wrong side.
But I think these things are much easier with comms and a 4th official too. Most L2s I work with are regularly communicating and making sure they know who on the pitch is on a caution.
I was being observed on a game and I cautioned a player with 2 minutes to go. When I went to record it (after showing the caution) I noticed that I already had that number down. I was bang in the centre of the pitch, not near either AR, and I couldn't remember cautioning him previously... nobody seemed to be expecting a second yellow and everyone was ready to crack on.
I wanted to confirm with my senior AR that I hadn't cautioned him previously, but in that moment of panic I thought 'that's going to look sh*t to the observer', so I risked it and continued. (In hindsight I could have made up any other excuse for going over to the AR).
Thankfully, post match it transpired that I had recorded the same number for the opposition team on the wrong side.
But I think these things are much easier with comms and a 4th official too. Most L2s I work with are regularly communicating and making sure they know who on the pitch is on a caution.
I had a closely related issue in a game in probably my 3rd or 4th match as a level 4.
I did the same team twice in very close proximity, away both matches and there were two players who looked similar ish and both happend to get cautioned in both games.
What is did was showed a yellow card followed by a red thinking the player was on a yellow. I then had to cancel that which I can't have communicated very well because at the next stoppage my senior AR, in his first game ever (2 brand new linos) called me over to tell me I had just shown the player a red card but he was still on the pitch...
Car crash springs to mind...
I've also been at a league one match where a referee showed a player a second yellow card, followed by a red, then appeared to bizarrely allow the away team dugout to convince him it was only the players first yellow so he cancelled the red and allowed him to stay on.
I was sat next to the ARs coach and the referee observe (free tickets in the padded seats
) and they were furiously checking their records and looking on the internet to check whether the player had previously been cautioned.Since that event, I've found out that what transpired was that upon issuing the first caution, which was issued somewhat from distance, the referee recorded the number correctly but he said the wrong number down the comms, so he correctly showed the red card, but then when the dugout queried it with the 4th, the 4th had a different number down and they let him stay on.
Which seems all wrong for that logic to apply at this level. The ref is fortunate this is not a high profile game otherwise you probably wouldn't hear the end of it.
For me it's just a foul in the middle of the pitch, not even enough to warrant a first yellow card nevermind the so called higher tolerance second yellow card.
I don’t think you should ever worry it will look sh#t to the Observer for something that needs to happen, especially if you could have incorrectly sent the player off. Which would have been worse. In events you got away with it, but you put yourself under a lot of pressure.