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pankaye

pankaye

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Hi Fellow referees

I’ve somehow ended up on our RA’s training committee, which means I’ve been roped into making a Laws of the Game quiz – one question a week – and I want to test them out on here first to make sure they hold up.

  • I’ll post one question each week with 4 possible answers and poll.

Please tell me if the wording makes sense.
if i have got the Law wrong.
Help me make the wrong answers just believable enough to trip people up.

Should be a bit of fun, and you’ll be helping me make sure the RA quiz is actually educational.


Thanks in advance to anyone who’s happy to be my “test audience”!
 
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example for next weeks quiz is which is stole from You Are The Ref from years a go

No. 7 (Home team) tackles an opponent with excessive force and, in the process, the offender suffers a horrific injury. As you try to control the ensuing brawl, physios take the injured player off and the fourth official waves on a substitute before you can deal with any disciplinary issues. What now?


Options:


A) Allow the substitution to proceed. Do not issue a red card since the player is off the field. Restart with a direct free kick to the opposing team from the place of the foul.

B) Issue a red card to Home team number 7 for serious foul play, but allow the substitution because it was already completed according to Law 3. Restart with a direct free kick to the opposing team from the place of the foul.

C) Issue a red card to Home team number 7 for serious foul play. Disallow the substitution. Restart with a direct free kick to the opposing team from the place of the foul.

D) Caution Home team number 7 for reckless play. Allow the substitution. Restart with a direct free kick to the opposing team from the place of the foul.
 
pankaye said:
Hi Fellow referees

I’ve somehow ended up on our RA’s training committee, which means I’ve been roped into making a Laws of the Game quiz – one question a week – and I want to test them out on here first to make sure they hold up.

  • I’ll post one question each week with 4 possible answers and poll.

Please tell me if the wording makes sense.
if i have got the Law wrong.
Help me make the wrong answers just believable enough to trip people up.

Should be a bit of fun, and you’ll be helping me make sure the RA quiz is actually educational.


Thanks in advance to anyone who’s happy to be my “test audience”!
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If you are doing for the local RA, I would do less on challenges as these are covered in other training material. The new / young referees need guidance in the strange decisions at local level 🧟‍♂️

Examples
- what happens a dog runs onto the FOP
- deflated ball going into the goal
- 12 players on the FOP
- substitution/injury during penalty kicks
etc
 
lincs22 said:
If you are doing for the local RA, I would do less on challenges as these are covered in other training material. The new / young referees need guidance in the strange decisions at local level 🧟‍♂️

Examples
- what happens a dog runs onto the FOP
- deflated ball going into the goal
- 12 players on the FOP
- substitution/injury during penalty kicks
etc
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If we take option D out then this question is not about the challenge at all, but entirly about the strange decision of an offender being substituted before the sanction.

Maybe replace option D with

D) Issue a red card to Home team number 7 for serious foul play. Disallow the substitution and caution the substitue for entering the field of play without your permission. Restart with a direct free kick to the opposing team from the place of the foul.
 
Q should be more clear as to whether it is a sub entering for the player who would be sent off or the player who was injured.
 
socal lurker said:
Q should be more clear as to whether it is a sub entering for the player who would be sent off or the player who was injured.
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It's one and the same, and it is pretty clear. 'The offender suffers a horrific injury'.

With that said, I read it wrong first time round too, so it depends on whether you're challenging people on law knowledge or the ability to thoroughly read wordy law questions which they may encounter as they climb the ladder.
 
RefereeX said:
It's one and the same, and it is pretty clear. 'The offender suffers a horrific injury'.

With that said, I read it wrong first time round too, so it depends on whether you're challenging people on law knowledge or the ability to thoroughly read wordy law questions which they may encounter as they climb the ladder.
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Oops.misread it and thought it was the victim.
 
RefereeX said:
It's one and the same, and it is pretty clear. 'The offender suffers a horrific injury'.

With that said, I read it wrong first time round too, so it depends on whether you're challenging people on law knowledge or the ability to thoroughly read wordy law questions which they may encounter as they climb the ladder.
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Case in point:
socal lurker said:
Oops.misread it and thought it was the victim.
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Thanks for the input guys. my aim with the quizes is basically think thorughly about various aspects of the laws. for isntance in this weeks question above, i want them to think about subsition process and when it complete (law 3) but also the fact that the referee can change their mind about decsisions and decsions are not final until play is restarted (law 5)

That said I will tweak the wording slightly to make it less ambigous. maybe make it a little bit less wordy.
 
I might have read this wrong, but how can it be C? The laws say that "The substitution is completed when a substitute enters the field of play; from that moment, the replaced player becomes a substituted player and the substitute becomes a player and can take any restart.". Can still red card the offender, but I'm struggling to see what allows the substitution to be disallowed.

I suppose it could be argued that the referee can change his decision until play has restarted, but has does that extend to disallowing a substitution that has already been completed? Let's be honest, it is a scenario that would never, ever happen, no 4th official is going to allow a player who has committed an awful foul to be taken off before the referee has dealt with it.
 
i supppose in theory two things reason why it can be C

1. as you said referee can change decision until restart (the stronger reason)
2. final decision is alwasy the referee, not the 4th official thats but thats me reaching ?

am i wrong here?
 
Do the FA not have guidance for this, rather than random local committee members deciding what's correct in Law and muddling a question's wording and/or answer?

Can you not consult the IFAB app and cherry-pick from there, or previous LMS Q&As.
 
RustyRef said:
I might have read this wrong, but how can it be C? The laws say that "The substitution is completed when a substitute enters the field of play; from that moment, the replaced player becomes a substituted player and the substitute becomes a player and can take any restart.". Can still red card the offender, but I'm struggling to see what allows the substitution to be disallowed.

I suppose it could be argued that the referee can change his decision until play has restarted, but has does that extend to disallowing a substitution that has already been completed? Let's be honest, it is a scenario that would never, ever happen, no 4th official is going to allow a player who has committed an awful foul to be taken off before the referee has dealt with it.
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We had a similar question from the FA and was given the answer as C, on the basis of 'you can do whatever you like and change your mind on anything providing you haven't restarted play'.

Not sure that's the law wording 😆 but it's correct
 
RefereeX said:
We had a similar question from the FA and was given the answer as C, on the basis of 'you can do whatever you like and change your mind on anything providing you haven't restarted play'.

Not sure that's the law wording 😆 but it's correct
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It is tenuous at best, comes down to whether the wording of law 3 trumps the wording of law 5, or the other way round. Given the potential ambiguity I wouldn't be including that on a LoTG exam.
 
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