Source?The attacker lining up offside on a FK and blocking a defender has been a point of emphasis from UEFA and FIFA for a few years now. It's become less common then around 2017-19, but when it happens it should be called.
Source?The attacker lining up offside on a FK and blocking a defender has been a point of emphasis from UEFA and FIFA for a few years now. It's become less common then around 2017-19, but when it happens it should be called.
only thing I would say, if the Cavani incident was checked first, the whole faff with the second touch is avoided and the full check becomed a minute instead of near 4
then also liked the fact Oliver made the call about the offside, I do also appreciate he got both captains in to explain why.
Re the latter paragraph, I nearly posted that last night, but if Oliver had done the OFR and decided it wasn't an error (eg Carvani couldn't have got near the ball) then they'd still have had to check the later event.It was given as Ramsey is offside and blocks Cavani.
forgetting c&o and what should and shouldn’t be reviewed on field. I had no problem with the way var was used during this.
understandable why the initial check too so long as to see if Watkins touches it before Ings.
then also liked the fact Oliver made the call about the offside, I do also appreciate he got both captains in to explain why.
only thing I would say, if the Cavani incident was checked first, the whole faff with the second touch is avoided and the full check becomed a minute instead of near 4
not seen it, so bigger picture. Are there many ( other) times the ref has went to the monitor to review offside?
Even bigger picture, should it not be the actual AR who goes to look? its his specialist subject. Seen on these pages plenty times, oh, leave offside to the ars, ref does not get involved unless its diabolical..
this does not sound diabolical. So suddenly a guy who has never judged offside in the prem league ( story he ran his wives line a few years back), is now the offside master, of course I realise as things stand the ref goes to the screen but was there anything to legally prevent him taking the ar, Either of them?
i dont think there's been any overturns in the prem this year...yet
i disagree that it should be the AR though rather than the ref. ultimately it's on the refs head, not the ARs and this wasnt a was he on / off debate, it was a subjective call about whether he was interfering with play which i'd suggest the ref would be more than capable of answering
It's funny that you mention the AR looking at the screen (for offside). It actually happened before the winter break in Germany (1. Bundesliga). The referee asked one of his assistants to also have a look with him: https://www.n-tv.de/sport/fussball/...-kniffliger-Abseitsregel-article22963003.htmlnot seen it, so bigger picture. Are there many ( other) times the ref has went to the monitor to review offside?
Even bigger picture, should it not be the actual AR who goes to look? its his specialist subject. Seen on these pages plenty times, oh, leave offside to the ars, ref does not get involved unless its diabolical..
this does not sound diabolical. So suddenly a guy who has never judged offside in the prem league ( story he ran his wives line a few years back), is now the offside master, of course I realise as things stand the ref goes to the screen but was there anything to legally prevent him taking the ar, Either of them?
what about if they both go look?
why would you not enlist the help of the offside expert?
clearly hypothetical if the eye in sky expert cant give you a definate, its clutching at staws ( guess) to throw it back to the onfield referee
disclaiimer, not seen it, purely thinking out of box
It's funny that you mention the AR looking at the screen (for offside). It actually happened before the winter break in Germany (1. Bundesliga). The referee asked one of his assistants to also have a look with him: https://www.n-tv.de/sport/fussball/...-kniffliger-Abseitsregel-article22963003.html
Not a wild suggestion, but, even in non VAR world the referee makes final decision.what about if they both go look?
why would you not enlist the help of the offside expert?
clearly hypothetical if the eye in sky expert cant give you a definate, its clutching at staws ( guess) to throw it back to the onfield referee
disclaiimer, not seen it, purely thinking out of box
It's also fairly common for the referee to have to get involved in offside to judge if a player plays the ball or if it's a defender playing/tackling the ball back rather than an attacker passing forward. This call is much more in that ballpark than the kind of call an AR typically makes, so I'm not convinced the AR has to get involved with this specific offside call.i dont think there's been any overturns in the prem this year...yet
i disagree that it should be the AR though rather than the ref. ultimately it's on the refs head, not the ARs and this wasnt a was he on / off debate, it was a subjective call about whether he was interfering with play which i'd suggest the ref would be more than capable of answering
Not a wild suggestion, but, even in non VAR world the referee makes final decision.
The assistant is indicating a possible (99% these are certain) offside offence. It's the referee who stops play and makes the final decision about whether it has been committed.
It's like when each have 50% of info, 1 knows they were offside the other knows if they were interfering or not, the ref makes the final decision. I see no difference here with the decision making process, it is and always has been still the Rs call, VAR World or not.
You could go. One. Step further and say why bother looking At the screen, there is a SG1 AR in the booth as well..
Poor advice and procedures where you are don't change how things are done here, regardless of how many times you post them. Instruction I've always been given as an AR is "offside is yours unless I can see that you're wrong in law".Am aware the ref makes the call . Thats a given.
my point is, as you touch on, if firstly onfield dont know, then the var cant tell,( is the vaar not taking part in the var review anyway?) then if you handing it back to where it came from in the first place ( by now its farce), then you might as well go full hog and involve the ar. We want of course the right call, how we get there, who we involve, how many we involve, should be imaterial.
its been posted on these pages over and over again, leave offside to the ar ( bar the clearest error of all time)
this does not sound like the clearest error of all time... thats off at a tangent and am not wording it very well . .
Which is kind of where I was going. With my postPoor advice and procedures where you are don't change how things are done here, regardless of how many times you post them. Instruction I've always been given as an AR is "offside is yours unless I can see that you're wrong in law".
Nothing about clear errors - if the referee sees something the AR hasn't or can't have seen, they should be overruling, or at least letting the move play out and then discussing it after. This is the territory we're in here, discussing a possible error that has more to do with the referees judgement of who was likely to play the ball than it does with the AR's job of monitoring the offside line.
Which is kind of where I was going. With my post
This is the bit where the R says what have you seen. And the AR says this is what I saw except the VAR has the power to replay to the ref what he saw woht video allowing the R to make the call he would make using the words of the AR in a non VAR world.
There's juts no need to haul the AR over here, but this is an expected R view the monitor to decide.
Fair, hadn’t thought of thatthe only issue with this if if oliver had reviewed it pitchside and gone nah it's ok, no offside, had there been a handball or offside offence that followed they'd have had to go back to VAR and recheck which would have been an even bigger farce!
UEFA RAP videos from 2018 or 2019. They had a number of clips focusing on this and the instruction of verbally warning players in an offside position before a free kick started to become a thingSource?
Should really be a referee expert to explain these calls on TV, one preferably not called Peter Walton.