"A goal is scored when the whole of the ball passes over the goal line, between the goalposts and under the crossbar, provided that no offence has been committed by the team scoring the goal."
No deliberate handball = no offence = goal.
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No deliberate handball = no offence = goal.
spuddy1878
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GOAL you know that.
What decision do you think would cause more grief (i know that doesnt matter when making a decision)
Allowing the goal or disallowing it ?
Why are you bringing it up then?
spuddy1878
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Sorry, i thought a forum was where people gave their views and opinions.
Peter Grove
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That's not common sense. It's a common belief and a commonly-expressed sentiment but it's not the law - any more. It used to be true, but that part of the law was changed in 1974.
Prior to that, the law said that a goal could not be scored if it had been:
However the law was changed in 1974 by the addition of the word "intentionally" before "propelled." Obviously, this now meant that a goal could be scored if the hand or arm contact was not intentional. This has remained the meaning of the law ever since.
It is no longer explicitly stated but the law now says that a goal is scored when the ball crosses the goal line inside the goal frame and no offence was committed by the attacking side. Since the law also says that it is only an offence to handle the ball deliberately, that still means that if a non-deliberate handball results in the ball entering the net, a goal is scored.
Edit: I see @Alex Rush-Fear beat me to it on that last part.
spuddy1878
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Be interested to see what Dermott Gallagher says on ref watch at 11.
Padfoot
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But the sentiment of ‘fair play’ is exactly the same......a non deliberate act results in a perceived ‘unfair’ outcome.....yet you only want to penalise one of them?
Both fall under the ‘**** happens’ part of football. It’s not our job as referees to invent interpretations of the LOTG just because it cause us less ‘grief’.
No. It really won’t be. Remember he is playing to an audience.
You're asking a question which, by your own admittance, is redundant. It's irrelevant which decision "would cause more grief", as it has no bearing on the decision. As a referee, you make your decision based on whether you believe it's correct or not, not the consequences.
Ciley Myrus
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But you have made your own mind up already, correctly, by saying the suspected infringment was not deliberate. Having judged it as so, the only correct course of action is to allow the goal. Dont need anybodys elses take on it, you have weighed it up yourself!
Precisely..
Correct me if I am wrong but one of the criterias in the observation handbooks is "not afraid to make unpopular decisions" or something similar.
Falls exactly into that bracket.
I made many of those decisions.... £?@k em!
Aaarrrggghhhhh! Wrong wrong wrong wrong......
Ciley Myrus
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No way (for me) did he deliberately handle the ball no way BUT if i spot that im giving hand ball and disallowing the goal
he never meant to handle it but it was still hand ball.
Its like bleach to the eyes !!!
he never meant to handle it but it was still hand ball.
Its like bleach to the eyes !!!
spuddy1878
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Has DH Just gave perfectly good reason why it shouldn’t be allowed ?
spuddy1878
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- any part of the head, body or feet is nearer to the opponents’ goal line than both the ball and the second-last opponent
Ciley Myrus
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Can you elaborate please, what does this have to do with a potential hand ball offence?
spuddy1878
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The law on offside mentions you can be off side when parts of your body allowed to score a goal is nearer to opponents goal, it doesn’t count the hand as it a part of body you can’t score with.
Probably not worded right but hopefully makes sense.
Probably not worded right but hopefully makes sense.
spuddy1878
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He says.
You could argue it is within the laws of the game because in the offside law, it shows a diagram of a player level with another player and his arm is ahead. It says you can't give offside because you can only give it as offside if he can score with that part of the body. So that infers that you cannot score with your hand.
You could argue it is within the laws of the game because in the offside law, it shows a diagram of a player level with another player and his arm is ahead. It says you can't give offside because you can only give it as offside if he can score with that part of the body. So that infers that you cannot score with your hand.
Padfoot
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I certainly don't use anything to appease players. I don't give many handballs as rarely does anyone deliberately handle the ball during a game.
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